Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Ha ha ha ha - seek help. You are delusional.

I thought that might bring out the real you, resorting to insults.

As my ragamuffin mother and friends in the 1900s East End of London use to chant at adults who verbally abused them, "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me".
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[Tony1951]

I thought that might bring out the real you, resorting to insults.

As my ragamuffin mother and friends in the 1900s East End of London use to chant at adults who verbally abused them, "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me".
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It's not abuse at all. Simply a statement of fact.

Anyway - how dare you complain. It is only a few days since you called me a follower of Enoch Powel for daring to question uncontrolled migration.

Prices of the electricity we use to charge

Why do people consider tariff barriers? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy8d4v69jw6o

www.pedelecs.co.uk

Since Labour came to power a little over 18 months ago, 50,000 people arrived illegally in the UK on unvetted rubber boats. Who are they? What is their criminal history if they have one? Who asked them to come? Why are the provisions of the Immigration Act 1971 which makes such arrivals a criminal offence (section 24) not being enforced?

To ask this makes one in some deluded eyes, a part of the far right and a follower of Enoch Powel and probably also of Oswald Moseley.

On the same page I quoted above, having pointed out why I thought Farage's party was going to take more and more votes from paralysed and unresponsive traditional parties, that fellow in Edinburgh posted some hard left meme likening the democratic right parties such as Reform to full on fascism. A more politically illiterate slur is hard to imagine and it does a dis service to all the victims of the violent fascism of the mid twentieth century. Those parties are UTTERLY different to any of the democratic right parties in Europe.

Fascism is founded on:

State sponsored Violence
State control of industry
Persecution and imprisonment of political opponents
Absolute destruction of fundamental rights
Absolute abhorrence of democracy

But still the stupid and lazy throw that at parties which are merely a bit right of centre, and at people who advocate for sensible control of migration and enforcement of control of illegal and utterly uncontrolled illegal landings on beaches which since Labour gained power could fill a football stadium.

 

[flecc]

Sweden: Approximately 10.55 million people.

• Denmark: Approximately 5.96 million people.
• Norway: Approximately 5.55 million people.

Sweden has a population almost equal to the rest of Scandinavia in total.

Rubbish, you left out Finland and Iceland.

Sweden 10,57 million, the rest 17.55 million.

Are they? How do you know this?

If it is true, it is probably because the politicians they elect do what the people want, and don't subscribe to the view that the people are in general fools who are to be ignored (which is where and why I came into this conversation).

It's what the latest survey reported, and probably true because their political parties, which are all Labour, do what their people want, fully implement socialism. They certainly don't treat their electorate as fools, that's more of an English political party speciality.
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[Tony1951]

Ha ha ha

Iceland 404,000 living on a volcano

Finland 5.4 million living in the tundra on reindeer and tree felling.


And YOU sir described the electorate as fools just in the last couple of days, openly saying they didn't know what they wanted and that people such as yourself would need to ignore what they said they wanted.

You are a real joker

 

[Woosh]

Since Labour came to power a little over 18 months ago, 50,000 people arrived illegally in the UK on unvetted rubber boats. Who are they? What is their criminal history if they have one? Who asked them to come? Why are the provisions of the Immigration Act 1971 which makes such arrivals a criminal offence (section 24) not being enforced?

To ask this makes one in some deluded eyes, a part of the far right and a follower of Enoch Powel and probably also of Oswald Moseley.

You just ignored all explanations.
They are asylum seekers. Calling them illegal migrants is one tactics to misdirect voters comprehension of their situations.
We don't provide asylum seekers with other legal routes to claim.

Our laws require due process. We detain them a short period to collect their biometrics and their depositions, give them temporary protection and identification papers. They are registered and subsidised for living expenses until our courts can look into their application for asylum.

 

[flecc]

And YOU sir described the electorate as fools just in the last couple of days, openly saying they didn't know what they wanted and that people such as yourself would need to ignore what they said they wanted.

Liar. I did not describe them as fools since not knowing something does not indicate a person is a fool.

Insults of that sort are your ignorant speciality.
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[Tony1951]

You just ignored all explanations.
They are asylum seekers. Calling them illegal migrants is one tactics to misdirect voters comprehension of their situations.
We don't provide asylum seekers with other legal routes to claim.

Our laws require due process. We detain them a short period to collect their biometrics and their depositions, give them temporary protection and identification papers. They are registered and subsidised for living expenses until our courts can look into their application for asylum.

WRONG.

They seem to be running away from the dangers of France.

We do provide routes for asylum. They just ignored them.

in the last couple of years we received 12000 'asylum seekers' from Albania, many of them criminals. Albanians are now a major headache for police running prostitution and human trafficking enterprises.

It is an absolute and obvious abuse to depart from France where no one is at risk and sail to the UK to land on a beach, and suggest you had to do so to claim asylum.

Only an utter fool would not think so.

 

[flecc]

And by the way - I spent a lot of my life, probably the first forty years of my adulthood as a Labour voter

And I made the opposite mistake, voting much more Conservative until I learnt better with age and experience. Ever since I am much more selective and careful about who and what I vote for, sometimes wasting the vote to avoid supporting what I cannot accept from either of the likely winners.
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[Tony1951]

Liar. I did not describe them as fools since not knowing something does not indicate a person is a fool.

Insults of that sort are your ignorant speciality.
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Prices of the electricity we use to charge

Why do people consider tariff barriers? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy8d4v69jw6o

www.pedelecs.co.uk

 

[flecc]

Prices of the electricity we use to charge

Why do people consider tariff barriers? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy8d4v69jw6o

www.pedelecs.co.uk

Thank you for reposting a post I stick by.

You don't have me fooled any more than Powell did, whatever you might have been in the past, you are now very far right. Just wanting to cage those you consider offenders, Guantanamo style, makes you so.
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[Woosh]

WRONG.

They seem to be running away from the dangers of France.

We do provide routes for asylum. They just ignored them.

in the last couple of years we received 12000 'asylum seekers' from Albania, many of them criminals. Albanians are now a major headache for police running prostitution and human trafficking enterprises.

It is an absolute and obvious abuse to depart from France where no one is at risk and sail to the UK to land on a beach, and suggest you had to do so to claim asylum.

Only an utter fool would not think so.

You clearly choose to ignore our laws and reality when they don't suit. 75% of those illegal migrants got given refugees status and leave to stay when they go through the process. That's roughly 20,000 a year.
How many refugees have we accepted by other legal routes?

 

[Tony1951]

Thank you for reposting a post I stick by.

You don't have me fooled any more than Powell did, whatever you might have been in the past, you are now very far right. Just wanting to cage those you consider offenders, Guantanamo style, makes you so.
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Not people that I consider offenders - people convicted of VERY serious crime and attacking other offenders and prison officers. How about Abedi - stabbed and scalded 4 prison officers with hot oil. Not his first asssult of guards either. I think he has another conviction for that prior to his latest outrage. How about Rudiacabana? Threw a kettle of boiling water in the face of a female guard when she looked though the hatch in his cell door? No - mustn't cage maniacs. They have rights.

Joker.

All violent offenders should be caged 24/7. I'd hazard that such a view would be shared by 85% of the population. You'd know that if you were not living in a delusional, Marxist bubble.

 

[flecc]

All violent offenders should be caged 24/7. I'd hazard that such a view would be shared by 85% of the population. You'd know that if you were not living in a delusional, Marxist bubble.

I agree that and know that the majority share that view, demonstrating that I am not living in any sort of bubble..

But we can't do that sort of thing any more, which would show that we are no better than the offenders.

Where would you stop? Boat people next?
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