Brexit, for once some facts.

Woosh

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Keep our sense of humour ?
We're gonna need it!
And don't read any books that're too "brexity" ;-)
Humour is fine, and albeit we are not neighbours on the opinion spectrum, I like your contribution.

This thread has nearly 111,000 posts, a lot of people have contributed to it over the years and possibly one of the best in this forum on an important subject that matters to all of us. By and large, we stick to facts albeit from a wide opinion spectrum.

I much prefer we exchange our views via our own writing. Wherever a link is necessary, Flecc even does not post the 'short reveal' or unfurl of his link, he attach the URL to the word 'LINK'. Although I appreciate the gentlemanly attitude, it's too much finger work on a phone for me.

What I object to is the videos that are added to your posts. those videos are, shall we say, a bit too much of a propaganda or obviously exaggerated, especially the last one, featuring a 'white powder' when Macron met Starmer. It was a crumbled white tissue.
I would like to ask you to avoid posting videos like that in the future.

PolitiFact | Fact-checking Alex Jones: White object on table in Macron video was tissue, not cocaine
 
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I much prefer we exchange our views via our own writing. Wherever a link is necessary, Flecc even does not post the 'short reveal' or unfurl of his link, he attach the URL to the word 'LINK'. Although I appreciate the gentlemanly attitude, it's too much finger work on a phone for me.
Apologies, I hadn't considered this particular serious deficit of Smartphones. Not having a mobile signal where I live in a London borough and knowing how much the government lie about their wholly inadequate coverage, I'm very much an enemy of Smartphones and the damage they are doing to young society in particular. I most strongly object to the bullying to use one, to the extent of deliberately making life difficult without access to one. I often punish the organisations that do that by switching from their communication with me by computer to totally paper and postage, the hard way.

HMRC are the largest victim of my revenge, they have to send everything the hardest way, but I pay what I owe conveniently and easily online by computer.
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Apologies, I hadn't considered this particular serious deficit of Smartphones. Not having a mobile signal where I live in a London borough and knowing how much the government lie about their wholly inadequate coverage, I'm very much an enemy of Smartphones and the damage they are doing to young society in particular. I most strongly object to the bullying to use one, to the extent of deliberately making life difficult without access to one. I often punish the organisations that do that by switching from their communication with me by computer to totally paper and postage, the hard way.

HMRC are the largest victim of my revenge, they have to send everything the hardest way, but I pay what I owe conveniently and easily online by computer.
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I used to do that (become as obtuse as humanly frickin possible when speaking to gp surgery trolls etc), but somewhere along the way I learned to be more passive in my passive aggression, after a few hard knocks (one emphatically does not want to cheese hmrc off enough to make it take an unsavoury interest in one).
 

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the cleaners use a shake n v vax bottle in the bathrooms and make mounds of the stuff on the sinks there all on crack talk total balks le about everything and are worse than useless pathological narcotic psychopaths :p
 

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i cant afford cocaine put it back in the cocacola :p
 
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Mike, you are turning this famous thread into a joke.
It's funny really; all the bad things which came with BREXIT, can be summed up by the term, ' EU TARIFFS', and 'EU non tariff barriers'. Restraint of trade, vindictively and arbitrarily applied, to a nation in every way compliant with standards. It was and is a viscious approach, carried out as a warning to others.

Funnily enough, the opponents of BREXIT never ever see it that way. It was all OUR fault, and well deserved and brought on our heads by 'stupid John Bull fanatics and 'Gammons', but wait - how did those same people react when Trump did what the EU always did, and started applying arbitrary tariffs, quotas and barriers to trade?

Oh! When Trump imposes obstacles to international free trade it was all a monstrous imposition, absolute beastliness and madness.....

I wonder how they resolve the internal contradiction. They must be tearing themselves apart at the contrafiction, unless they have a remarkable capacity for delusion.

I despise Trump as a man, but he is tight to trash the EU with tariffs. They have been operating fierce trade barriers against American goods for a long time, and ponsing off the American tax payer for their defence - most if them spending risible amounts on defence, while talking tough behind an American shield - especially the Germans, and never more so than when von de what' her name was German defence minister.
 
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Mike, you are turning this famous thread into a joke.
It's funny really - all the bad things which came with BREXIT, can be summed up by the term, ' EU TARIFFS', and 'EU non tariff barriers'. Restraint of trade, vindictively and arbitrarily applied, to a nation in every way compliant with their standards. It was and is a viscious approach, carried out as a warning to others.

Funnily enough, the opponents of BREXIT never ever see it that way. It was all OUR fault and well deserved and brought on our heads by 'stupid John Bull fanatics and 'Gammons'.

But wait - how did those same people react when Trump did the same and started applying arbitrary tariffs, quotas and barriers to trade? Oh! When Trump imposes obstacles to international free trade it was all a monstrous imposition, absolute beastliness and madness.....

I wonder how they resolve the internal contradiction.

I despise Trump as a man, but he is right to trash the EU with tariffs. I hope he keeps them. They have been operating strong trade barriers against American goods for a long time, and ponsing of the American tax payer for their defence most if them spending risible amounts on defence, while talking tough behind an American shield - especially the Germans, and never more so than when von der, what' her name was German defence minister. The German army was so run down under that scrawny hag that they couldn't put a rifle in every soldier's hands.
 
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But wait - how did those same people react when Trump did the same and started applying arbitrary tariffs, quotas and barriers to trade? Oh! When Trump imposes obstacles to international free trade it was all a monstrous imposition, absolute beastliness and madness.....

I wonder how they resolve the internal contradiction.
There is no contradiction. You just don't realise how big the portion of trade that relied on the 4 freedoms that EU member states have like building work, music festivals, stock market, bank loans, insurance, reselling goods that came from outside the EU.
We don't have that kind of trade with the USA for example so when Brexit started for real, we lost the trade that was associated with those 4 freedoms and left with the kind of trade we have with the USA which is much smaller.
 
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EU tariffs are more
It's funny really; all the bad things which came with BREXIT, can be summed up by the term, ' EU TARIFFS', and 'EU non tariff barriers'. Restraint of trade, vindictively and arbitrarily applied, to a nation in every way compliant with standards. It was and is a viscious approach, carried out as a warning to others.

Funnily enough, the opponents of BREXIT never ever see it that way. It was all OUR fault, and well deserved and brought on our heads by 'stupid John Bull fanatics and 'Gammons', but wait - how did those same people react when Trump did what the EU always did, and started applying arbitrary tariffs, quotas and barriers to trade?

Oh! When Trump imposes obstacles to international free trade it was all a monstrous imposition, absolute beastliness and madness.....

I wonder how they resolve the internal contradiction. They must be tearing themselves apart at the contrafiction, unless they have a remarkable capacity for delusion.

I despise Trump as a man, but he is tight to trash the EU with tariffs. They have been operating fierce trade barriers against American goods for a long time, and ponsing off the American tax payer for their defence - most if them spending risible amounts on defence, while talking tough behind an American shield - especially the Germans, and never more so than when von de what' her name was German defence minister.
EU tariffs are not quite as venal


in an ideal world we'd all spend less on defence
 
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EU tariffs are more

EU tariffs are not quite as venal


in an ideal world we'd all spend less on defence
When you say 'ideal world', I think Utopia - the Garden of Eden and other such concepts. The problem is that reality intrudes. We have seen time and again through history that maniacs gain control of powerful nations - sometimes our neighbours: Napoleon, Stalin, Hitler, Putin. There are many many others and there will be others in the future. This is why we must either prepare to defend ourselves or become slaves. It is only ninety years since Hitler enslaved millions and murdered a lot more. I did not believe that Putin would invade Ukraine three years ago - until he did.

I do sympathise with your remark though. It would be great if we never had to spend money on defence. Think what we could do with the money. That said - in this country, the way things are going, our £64Bn defence spending cold be spent on working age benefits, judging by the way that budget has ballooned in the last few years.
 
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there trying to make cyborgs now must have gone in wrong hole
 

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Rats leaving the sinking ship?
@MikelBikel remember your guy George Simion? He has now conceded to Nicosor Dan. If you want to talk about another EU's issue, Poland's Donald Tusk, I will debate you.
 

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there importing the eu in to the uk to bankrupt the country buy 2030 :p
 

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there all corporate anchors treating us all like brain dead slaves to pay there lending for useless renewable crap that will never pay for its self buts thats not the point is it.


the uk corporate employs needs 86 ing like the lot, guy forks had it sorted why can putin just target these parasites at lest trump does what he said he was going to do yet we get a fkn retarded pathological Lier cocaine sniffing speedo that needs a court ruling to say what a women is fkn clown land.

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