Park Tool Cyclone Chain Scrubber on BBSxx?

[Fordulike]

Does anyone know if the Park Tool Cyclone Chain Scrubber works on a bike fitted with a BBSxx?


The reason I ask, is that once the device is fitted, the user has to back pedal the chain for the system to work.

Due to the freewheel in the BBSxx, the chain does not move when back pedaling. So I need to know if it will still work whilst rotating the pedals forward, as this is the only way of moving the chain through the scrubber.

The rear wheel will be off the ground of course

 

[mfj197]

It looks like it's designed for the chain to run one way through it so you couldn't just use it normally with the chain going forwards. If you could reverse it somehow you would be fine but I guess the handle would try and stick through the spokes. You could use it on the tension side of the chainline, i.e. between the top of the rear cassette and top of the chainring, but I guess the rear chainstay would be in the way.

You can get the chain moving backwards with a BBS01, and so use the Park Tool normally. You just need to pull by rotating the back wheel backwards rather than the cranks.

Michael

 

[Fordulike]

It looks like it's designed for the chain to run one way through it so you couldn't just use it normally with the chain going forwards. If you could reverse it somehow you would be fine but I guess the handle would try and stick through the spokes. You could use it on the tension side of the chainline, i.e. between the top of the rear cassette and top of the chainring, but I guess the rear chainstay would be in the way.

You can get the chain moving backwards with a BBS01, and so use the Park Tool normally. You just need to pull by rotating the back wheel backwards rather than the cranks.

Michael

Cheers Michael, I thought that would probably be the case.

The moving the wheel idea isn't really for me, as it makes using the scrubber awkward and takes away the convenience it was designed for.

 

[awol]

Does anyone know if the Park Tool Cyclone Chain Scrubber works on a bike fitted with a BBSxx

Would turning the bike upside down be an option?

 

[Tomtomato]

I think a few chain suppliers don't advise to use those cleaning devices, particularly when used with degreasers.

Example: http://www.kmcchain.eu/maintenance

 

[Fordulike]

I think a few chain suppliers don't advise to use those cleaning devices, particularly when used with degreasers.

Example: http://www.kmcchain.eu/maintenance

I've pretty much removed all the factory lube anyway, using Muc-Off chain degreaser.
It's good stuff, but can work out expensive.

I run the chain through an old rag under power after every ride, and relube using Finish Line dry lube.

500+ miles on the drivetrain and there appears to be no wear and it still shifts like new.

 

[Fordulike]

Would turning the bike upside down be an option?

Aha, I know this sounds petty, but the Tektro hydraulic brakes manual, advises against turning the bike upside down.

Something to do with the air in the system rising into the caliper.
Could be absolute b*****x, but there may be an element of truth there, so I tend to play by the rules lol.

 

[EddiePJ]

Brilliant bit of kit.

As for not being recommended... All factory grease would have pretty much all but gone within my first ride or so. I'd rather use the chain scrubber to get rid of the abrasive dust/soil, than leave it place to act as grinding paste.

Aha, I know this sounds petty, but the Tektro hydraulic brakes manual, advises against turning the bike upside down.

Something to do with the air in the system rising into the caliper.
Could be absolute b*****x, but there may be an element of truth there, so I tend to play by the rules lol.

There shouldn't be any air in the system. The brakes wouldn't operate properly if there was.

Some forks and shock absorbers on the other hand, can be affected by being turned upside down.

 

[Fordulike]

Brilliant bit of kit.

As for not being recommended... All factory grease would have pretty much all but gone within my first ride or so. I'd rather use the chain scrubber to get rid of the abrasive dust/soil, than leave it place to act as grinding paste.

Are you using one on your KTM?

I assume the Bosch system has some sort of clutch in the crank, so how do you get the scrubber to work?

 

[Fordulike]

There shouldn't be any air in the system. The brakes wouldn't operate properly if there was.

Yeah, what I thought too, but there seems to be a lot of debate on the web, whether you should or not.

Probably an old wives tale lol.

 

[Tomtomato]

Well, I'd rather follow the advice from the people...who are actually manufacturing the chains. I can assume they know what they are talking about, in term of not using those cleaning devices.

 

[EddiePJ]

Fordulike, It does.

I just pull the chain from the upper run. Not ideal, but it works.

The handle also just clips on, so I guess that it could be reversed, but I glued mine on when I first got it, so this isn't an option for me to try.

 

[Fordulike]

Well, I'd rather follow the advice from the people...who are actually manufacturing the chains. I can assume they know what they are talking about, in term of not using those cleaning devices.

They are probably minimizing warranty claims, where users are completely degreasing the chain using a cleaning machine, but failing to fully lube up again with a quality lubricant.

If you meticulously lube the chain up again after a deep clean, then I see no problem.

Grinding paste is the real killer IMO.

 

[Fordulike]

Just ordered a chain wear indicator thingy, so will report back with whether my chain cleaning routine is working with a BBS02 and 500+ miles

 

[awol]

I think a few chain suppliers don't advise to use those cleaning devices, particularly when used with degreasers.

Example: http://www.kmcchain.eu/maintenance

It says not to use these with solvents.
I don't know whether some of these new degrease solutions are solvent based now though so shouldd be ok. I've seen one used with just water and washing-up liquid on an online video.

 

[Fordulike]

It says not to use these with solvents.
I don't know whether some of these new degrease solutions are solvent based now though so shouldd be ok. I've seen one used with just water and washing-up liquid on an online video.

This one should be fine to use, as it contains no solvents:

https://muc-off.com/clean/21-drive-chain-cleaner.html?ref_cat=8

 

[Croxden]

It says "

• Removes all chain oil and wax residue"

So what's the difference?

 

[oldtom]

It says "

• Removes all chain oil and wax residue"

So what's the difference?

I'm glad you asked that Croxden as I thought I must be missing something. This product seems like the ultimate magic potion, able to remove all the gunge from the visible chain parts without encroaching the innards so leaving the manufacturer's grease intact. Brilliant if that's what happens!

It just shouts 'Snake oil' to me but I believe the cancer scientists are close to finding cures that work exactly like that. Obviously, I can't be understanding this correctly.

Tom

 

[awol]

Not knowing anything about the chain manufactures lubricant inside the chain in the past I use one of these and must say the chain is sparkling clean on the outside after use and the magnet in the chain cleaners base does attract quite a bit of the grit.
However now I'm thinking I better only use it when a new chain is getting well used and manufactures lube is all but gone.

 

[Croxden]

I keep saying, over 5000 miles just keeping it clean and no problems. I have used a wax lube recently, the chain is as flexible as ever.

Past bikes have had all sorts of oils, they stiffen up and wear out the chains and cogs.

How good are the salesmen? Brilliant.