S12S Sine-wave Controller.

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I bought this controller from BMSBattery. I bought it with some other stuff that I needed, so worked out at just over £20. It's nominally 23 amps , which I thought might be a bit low at 36v, so I added just a small blob of solder to the shunt to take it up to about 25 amps.

I bought the LCD panel and speed sensor to go with it, which adds about £16 to the cost, but worth it. I fitted everything to my old Giant NRS with a 500w Bafang BPM motor and 36v 20aH Ping battery.

The controller has a torque simulation algorithm in it. I don't know how it works or what it's supposed to do, but pedalling was a pleasant experience whatever level I set, and the throttle was nice and smooth.

The motor is very quiet with this controller. You could get a little bit of resonance at some speeds/powers, but even that isn't as loud as the previous KU123 controller.

I can't say whether it gives better motor performance than an equivalent square wave one, but it gave the motor enough power to drag my 100kg up our 14% test hill easily without pedalling, so most people will find the 23 amps adequate for most circumstances.

Another advantage from this setup is that you ca switch off the system at the controller, so you don't need any fancy master switch for the battery. There's less than one microamp discharge left like this, which means it'll take more than a thousand years for your battery to go flat.

Is it worth upgrading a KU123 to a S12S?, Probably not, but for a new build, the smoothness, 5 PAS levels and ability to switch off make for a pleasant ride and easy installation. This would be my controller of choice rather than the KU123. Power is more than adequate for normal riding and hill-climbing.
 
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Zebb

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Is it easy to explain why a sine wave should be more efficient than a square wave, or not as the case maybe.

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Is it easy to explain why a sine wave should be more efficient than a square wave, or not as the case maybe.

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If you think about sound, a square wave makes a rasping sound, while as a sine wave is a pure smooth tone.One kicks the motor, and the other caresses it.




Thanks d8veh

Don't suppose you have a 250w sine wave to recommend - ku 65 replacement ?

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That's easy. The S06S from BMSBattery.
 

Zebb

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Ok thanks for the reply.
 

Arbol

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Is it worth upgrading a KU123 to a S12S?, Probably not, but for a new build, the smoothness, 5 PAS levels and ability to switch off make for a pleasant ride and easy installation. This would be my controller of choice rather than the KU123. Power is more than adequate for normal riding and hill-climbing.
d8veh, are you still of the same opinion, that the S12S is your controller of choice?
 

Arbol

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A question, comparing the S12S vs the KU123:

Let us assume the biker buys the S12S but he does not want to use PAS (and e-brakes), only throttle (e.g. there are hydraulic brakes in the bike, or the biker wants a stealthy configuration with as few cables as possible).

I understand one of the advantages of the S12S is the 5 levels of PAS, which I assume is an advantage lost if there is no PAS. But I guess the S12S still retains the advantage of being more silent and smoother, and the use of the LCD as master switch on/off.

I assume (but not 100% certain) the S12S can work this way (without PAS and e-brakes, but with throttle and LCD), but always with a speed sensor.

If one does not take into consideration the difference in max amperage (22A vs 30A), does it still make sense to use the S12S this way (losing the 5 levels of PAS) as opposed to the KU123?
 
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If one does not take into consideration the difference in max amperage (22A vs 30A), does it still make sense to use the S12S this way (losing the 5 levels of PAS) as opposed to the KU123?
There's no exact answer. There might be an efficiency advantage of the S12S. I haven't seen any consumption comparison data yet. You have to look at what features/characteristics you want and how much you want to spend.