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Big area of new development:
Deep-Sea Reverse Osmosis (DSRO): This technology harnesses the immense natural pressure at depths of 400 meters or more to facilitate the desalination process. By utilizing this pressure, DSRO systems can reduce energy consumption by up to 40% compared to traditional desalination methods, which often rely on fossil fuel-driven pumps.
The technology requires less chemical treatments for inflow water, produces less outflow pollution.
They need new membranes every 5 years, otherwise, pumps require mimimal maintenance.

 
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Dr Naomi Wolf enlisted 3500 volunteers to go thru the myriad P f I z e r docs and get the facts.
"20 times more unalives and adverse effects than All the previous faxxines on record, Put Together", wow!
"Safe and effective", in doing what? Depopulation?
"Two weeks to Flatten the curve"
Still want a booster? ;-)
 

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Dr Naomi Wolf enlisted 3500 volunteers to go thru the myriad P f I z e r docs and get the facts.
"20 times more unalives and adverse effects than All the previous faxxines on record, Put Together", wow!
"Safe and effective", in doing what? Depopulation?
"Two weeks to Flatten the curve"
Still want a booster? ;-)
What do you believe?
Which vaccines do you think are safe and effective?
 
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What do you believe?
Which vaccines do you think are safe and effective?
Faxxines went massive in Kansas "experi-mentally" injected into American troops going overseas..
Dr. Frederick L. Gates of the Rockefeller institute was involved in the meningitis vaccination process during World War I.. in Camp Funston at Fort Riley, where the FIRST case was reported..
Then came the 1918 "Spanish" flu, mm, wonder if there's a connection?
Hope you got the fake Saline jab, yeah ?

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Faxxines went massive in Kansas "experi-mentally" injected into American troops going overseas..
Dr. Frederick L. Gates of the Rockefeller institute was involved in the meningitis vaccination process during World War I.. in Camp Funston at Fort Riley, where the FIRST case was reported..
Then came the 1918 "Spanish" flu, mm, wonder if there's a connection?
Hope you got the fake Saline jab, yeah ?

:)
You are clearly not convinced of the benefits of vaccinations.
Knowing what you now know, would you still want your children and grandchildren be vaccinated?
 

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Dr Naomi Wolf enlisted 3500 volunteers to go thru the myriad P f I z e r docs and get the facts.
"20 times more unalives and adverse effects than All the previous faxxines on record, Put Together", wow!
"Safe and effective", in doing what? Depopulation?
"Two weeks to Flatten the curve"
Still want a booster? ;-)
I have to agree after the serious ill effect I got from the Pfizer booster in 2021, taking three months to clear up. There is no way I will ever accept another booster, or for that matter any further Covid jab, given Pfizer's blatant dishonesty over this issue and the uselessness of Astra-Zeneca's jabs, in no way qualifying as acceptable vaccines.
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I have to agree after the serious ill effect I got from the Pfizer booster in 2021, taking three months to clear up. There is no way I will ever accept another booster, or for that matter any further Covid jab, given Pfizer's blatant dishonesty over this issue and the uselessness of Astra-Zeneca's jabs, in no way qualifying as acceptable vaccines.
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Flu vaccines are about the least controversial, the risk of serious adverse effects is very small but not niil. Covid is a much more serious disease than flu.
I have a friend who suffers from long covid until even now. She nearly died in hospital despite receiving all the jabs. Her husband also caught covid but had no ill effect.

Here’s a side-by-side comparison table of adverse events for COVID-19 vaccines (2021) vs seasonal influenza vaccines, using typical ranges from pharmacovigilance reports:


Adverse events per million doses

Event typeSeasonal flu vaccinesCOVID-19 vaccines (2021)
Any adverse event (reported)~20–50 per 100,000 doses (= 200–500 per million)~1,300 per 100,000 doses (= 13,000 per million, mostly mild*)
Injection-site pain, mild fever, fatigueCommon (~10–20%)More common (~30–70%)
Anaphylaxis~1 per million~5 per million
Guillain–Barré syndrome (GBS)~1–2 per millionNo consistent increase overall; possible rare signal with adenovirus vaccines
Myocarditis / pericarditisVery rare (not clearly linked)~10–40 per million second doses of mRNA vaccines in young males
Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia (VITT)Not reported~10–20 per million in younger adults after AstraZeneca / J&J; much lower in older
Serious adverse events overall~1–2 per 100,000 (= 10–20 per million)~5–10 per 100,000 (= 50–100 per million)
Deaths causally linkedExtremely rare, hard to prove causalityExtremely rare, vast majority of deaths after vaccination not caused by vaccine
 
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Big area of new development:
Deep-Sea Reverse Osmosis (DSRO): This technology harnesses the immense natural pressure at depths of 400 meters or more to facilitate the desalination process. By utilizing this pressure, DSRO systems can reduce energy consumption by up to 40% compared to traditional desalination methods, which often rely on fossil fuel-driven pumps.
The technology requires less chemical treatments for inflow water, produces less outflow pollution.
They need new membranes every 5 years, otherwise, pumps require mimimal maintenance.

I saw this and am no engineer, but can't help finding it perplexing ito law of conservation of energy. If one use the pressure (energy) at say a depth of 3000m to squeeze seawater through a membrane (into an empty container with surface/atmospheric pressure inside) it would surely take exactly as much energy to pump it (against all the gravity that caused the pressure) back up to the surface? I.e. how does one gain any benefit over just using the energy to pump it directly through s membrane?
 

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Excellent question. The DSRO saves first the space of the plant, indirectly saves energy. It saves also on pretreatments of inflow water against algae, debris and bacteria, on pumping concentrated brine back out to sea. It can be coupled to a nearby off shore wind farm for electricity. They did say 'up to 40% energy savings'.
 

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I know how extreme the effect on me of the Pfizer booster was, NEVER EVER AGAIN.

Covid is a much more serious disease than flu.
NO IT IS NOT for me, or for the great majority of people. I've had it twice, the original infection May 2020 which probably gave some immunity since I missed both the Alpha and Delta infections, then catching the very infectious Omicron late 2021.

Neither time was the infection in any way more troubling than a cold, just lasting a little longer.

The experts were agreed that by early 2022 the great majority of our population had caught Covid, giving them considerable immunity.

From our Covid Inquiry:

"As of 5 May 2023, there were over 208,000 deaths."

Out of 68 millions. A pandemic yes for 1 in 327, but one of the shortest lived so not exactly the Black Death. And even much of that proportion dying was due to political ineptitude as I insisted at the time and later with data as you well know.
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NO IT IS NOT for me, or for the great majority of people. I've had it twice, the original infection May 2020 which probably gave some imuunity since I missed both the Alpha and Delta infections, then catching the very infectious Omicron late 2021.
I accept that. I too have had covid 3 times, they are all benign. I have had 6 covid jabs so far, 2 x Pfizer, the rest from AZ, Valneva, Moderna, J&J. No ill effect.
You could have been affected by the T-cell response after the jab.



1. Seasonal influenza vaccines
a) Inactivated flu vaccines (most common)

  • Technology: The influenza virus is grown in eggs (or cell culture), then chemically inactivated (killed).
  • What’s in the shot: Whole virus particles or fragments (antigens like hemagglutinin, HA).
  • Immune response: Stimulates antibody production but not much cellular immunity.
  • Examples: Standard flu shots, quadrivalent inactivated vaccine (QIV).
b) Live attenuated flu vaccines

  • Technology: Uses a weakened form of live influenza virus that can replicate only in the cooler environment of the nose.
  • Administration: Given as a nasal spray (e.g., Fluenz Tetra).
  • Immune response: Mimics natural infection, produces strong antibody and mucosal immunity.
c) Recombinant flu vaccines

  • Technology: HA protein is produced using recombinant DNA in insect cell cultures, rather than growing the whole virus.
  • Examples: Flublok (USA).
  • Advantage: Faster to make, avoids egg-adaptation problems.

2. COVID-19 vaccines
a) mRNA vaccines (Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna)

  • Technology: Synthetic messenger RNA encoding the spike protein is packaged in lipid nanoparticles.
  • What happens: Human cells take up the mRNA, produce the spike protein, and display it to the immune system.
  • Immune response: Strong antibody + T-cell response.
  • Advantage: Very fast to design and update.
b) Viral vector vaccines (AstraZeneca, J&J)

  • Technology: A harmless adenovirus is engineered to carry DNA coding for the spike protein.
  • What happens: The vector infects cells, delivers spike DNA, which is transcribed and translated into spike protein.
  • Immune response: Antibody + T-cell.
  • Advantage: Durable response; stable storage.
c) Protein subunit vaccines (Novavax)

  • Technology: Pre-made purified spike proteins are manufactured in cell culture and combined with an adjuvant.
  • Immune response: Strong antibody response, less T-cell compared to mRNA.
  • Similar to: Recombinant flu vaccines.

3. Key differences

FeatureFlu vaccinesCOVID-19 vaccines (2021–2023)
ProductionMostly egg-based (slow, months), some recombinant/cell-basedmRNA (lab-synthesized in days), viral vectors, protein subunits
Antigen usedHemagglutinin & neuraminidase proteins from circulating strainsSpike protein (full-length or stabilized prefusion form)
PlatformsTraditional (killed virus, live attenuated)Newer (mRNA, viral vectors)
Immune responseMainly antibodyStrong antibody + T-cell (esp. mRNA/vector)
Speed of updatesMonths (must predict strains ~6 months in advance)Weeks (mRNA can be updated quickly if needed)
Mucosal vaccineYes (live attenuated nasal spray)Not widely available yet, but in research


✅ Summary:


  • Flu vaccines are mostly traditional, using whole viruses grown in eggs or cells. They’ve been around for decades, but updates are slow and depend on global strain prediction.
  • COVID-19 vaccines pushed forward mRNA and viral vector technologies — faster to develop, with stronger cellular immunity — and now these platforms may also influence the next generation of flu vaccines.
 

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Evolution and direction of flu and COVID vaccines:

The “first generation” did the job of reducing severe disease and death, but the next generation is focusing on durability, breadth, and easier delivery.


1. Influenza vaccines – development directions
Toward a “universal” flu vaccine

  • Problem now: Current flu shots need annual updates because strains mutate (antigenic drift/shift).
  • Goal: Target more conserved viral parts (e.g. the HA stem) so protection lasts multiple years and works against many strains.
  • Status: Several candidates in clinical trials, including mRNA-based universal flu vaccines.
New platforms

  • mRNA flu vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna, others in trials): can encode multiple HA antigens at once → potentially broader protection, faster to update.
  • Recombinant protein and nanoparticle flu vaccines (e.g., Novavax-style): offer precision without egg-adaptation issues.
  • DNA vaccines are being tested too.
Delivery innovations

  • Nasal sprays and inhaled vaccines: to improve mucosal immunity (stopping infection and transmission).
  • Microneedle patches: under study for painless, easier administration.

2. COVID-19 vaccines – development directions
Variant-proof / pan-coronavirus vaccines

  • Problem now: Current COVID vaccines need updates (e.g., Omicron versions) because the virus evolves quickly.
  • Goal: Vaccines that target conserved regions of spike or even other viral proteins to protect against multiple SARS-CoV-2 variants — and possibly other coronaviruses (like SARS or MERS).
  • Status: Early-stage clinical trials ongoing.
️ Longer-lasting immunity

  • Research into adjuvants, multivalent mRNA designs, and better dosing regimens to extend protection beyond 6–12 months.
Platforms

  • Next-gen mRNA: more stable formulations (less cold storage needed).
  • Protein subunit + adjuvants: e.g., Novavax, being refined for boosters.
  • Viral vectors: less central now, but still explored for combined vaccines.
Mucosal vaccines

  • Nasal spray or oral COVID vaccines aim to build local immunity in the airways → reduce infection and transmission, not just severe disease. Several are in clinical trials (India has already licensed an intranasal COVID vaccine).

3. Combined strategies (flu + COVID together)

  • Bivalent or multivalent vaccines:
    • Moderna and Pfizer are trialling combined flu + COVID mRNA vaccines (one shot for both viruses each season).
    • Novavax is testing a flu + COVID protein subunit combo.
  • Goal: reduce vaccine fatigue, improve uptake, streamline logistics.

4. Long-term vision

  • Universal vaccines: one jab lasting years (for flu or coronaviruses).
  • Needle-free options: nasal sprays, patches, oral tablets.
  • Equitable access: cheaper, heat-stable formulations for global use.
  • Broader protection: aiming not just at hospitalization, but also at stopping infection and transmission.


✅ Summary:


  • Flu vaccines → moving toward universal, mRNA-based, and easier delivery methods.
  • COVID vaccines → moving toward variant-proof, mucosal, and possibly combined with flu in one shot.
  • Both fields are converging — COVID accelerated innovation (esp. mRNA) that’s now being applied to flu.
 

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P f I z e r wanted it's docs to remain secret for 75yrs!
That says it all, it's only that US has a Real Constitution that gives Real freedom of information.
While Deutschland moves to abolish that right, kidnaps a whistleblower from its Mexican embassy and illegally imprisons him.
The EUSSR gave blanked out contract docs to MEP's, so "transparenzi", demo-krazi at work.
Will the docs prove malicious intent and invalidate their immunity from prosecution? I hope so :)
(Its a shorter , better version of previous vid)
 

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It's not Pfizer, it's the FDA which wants to keep their contract with Pfizer and vaccines authorisation details secret until 2096.
Apparently, the FDA received documents from vaccines makers warning it about all sorts of issues with their vaccines prior to their emergency use authorisation.
 

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