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Ghost1951

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You need to remove this post.

"They should have just run him over"..... What, for riding an uninsured and untaxed motorcycle? Do you think this is a rational response?

If you'd have said "Illegal immigrants should be run over", you'd rightfully be facing a contravention of the UK Public Order Act & Communications Act, namely 'encouraging violence'.

Your statement is covered by the same laws and contravenes them in the exact same way. Encouraging violence has no place in civil discourse.
Well, I deleted it following your advice and since it obviously offends you so much.

But my original post was WAY WAY different to the remark you suggested was the same.

I was recommending what the police actually did do in London last year when the burden on the population of seemingly untouchable criminal riff raff got too much for the authorities to bear. You can see several examples on the BBC of EXACTLY what I think should have happened to the rider featured above. Remember THIS IS POLICE DASH CAM FOOTAGE released to the public.


How long can we tolerate impotent lack of action against people who endanger the whole population and refuse to submit to police authority?

You seem to think recommending robust policing of failure to stop when riding dangerously is the same as inciting violence and racial hatred! It is NOTHING of the kind. You can not in a civilised society have an element of criminals just ignoring the police and getting away with it. THIS is what we have probably in all of our cities with two wheeled criminals bringing all riders into public contempt.

I've seen these two wheeled bandits stealing motorbikes, intimidating the public and endangering all road users at the same time primary schools are sending children home.

You seem a lot more upset about my complaining and suggesting the police actually push them off the bikes than that they are engaging in such outrageous riding and ignoring of lawful demands to stop.

Maybe that's the way modern policing is going - Maybe you are a policeman. Much better to lock up people who complain that such criminality is allowed to continue. After all, so much easier to look up an ip address of a person on the internet than to lock up a proper criminal.
 
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Well, I deleted it following your advice.

But my original post was WAY WAY different to the remark you suggested was the same.
A wise move, IMO. I have removed the reference to your original post.

I am not a member of the Police. My post was not an attack on you. It was simply advice to a fellow forum member in order to prevent a potential issue for you in the future.

I feel my comparison was fair - it compared two individuals, both having been involved in illegal activity, neither having caused direct harm to the population. Either way, it conveyed my point successfully, leading you to make the correct decision.
 
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A wise move, IMO. I have removed the reference to your original post.

I am not a member of the Police. My post was not an attack on you. It was simply advice to a fellow forum member in order to prevent a potential issue for you in the future.

I feel my comparison was fair - it compared two individuals, both having been involved in illegal activity, neither having caused direct harm to the population. Either way, it conveyed my point successfully, leading you to make the correct decision.
For the first part, I thank you.

For the second part, I don't think reference to comparisons with incitement to violence against migrants at the time of the riots was fair or apt.

I accept that my words - 'they should have run him over', was NOT well expressed or actually covered what I meant. If you watch the BBC video of Met Police dash cam footage above - THAT is what I actually intended to recommend. I still recommend that.

There is nothing more likely to encourage serious offending of the type posted above, in which an individual glories in and publicises his offending, than allowing them to defy the police in the way we see in the original video. Once it is known that you can get away with that, there is no stopping it. It encourages others to do exactly the same.

And I absolutely deny that my original remark was a criminal one - though it was hot headed. It can hardly be criminal to recommend that the police use force to stop crime and apprehend criminals.

I respect your motive and your right to disagree.
 
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In response to Saneagle original question, I don’t remember the guy. Don’t believe I’ve ever seen any of his escapades before. But I do think such antics are getting legal e-bikes a bad name with the general public. I know we can tell the difference between an E.A.P.C and their intended use and an illegal e-bike, but the bad press generated by such disrespect of the law could well impact on the cycling freedoms we enjoy and that would be a great shame.
 

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In response to Saneagle original question, I don’t remember the guy. Don’t believe I’ve ever seen any of his escapades before. But I do think such antics are getting legal e-bikes a bad name with the general public. I know we can tell the difference between an E.A.P.C and their intended use and an illegal e-bike, but the bad press generated by such disrespect of the law could well impact on the cycling freedoms we enjoy and that would be a great shame.
The guy rode his bike over a bump, and the wheel fell off. He was then clearly upset by the bike and the guy, who built it for him, so he threw a bit of a tantrum. The bike had been very pooly put together and it was just a matter of time before something was going to happen. Since then, he has made many videos of himself living on the edge of legality and having frequent run-ins with the police, from which he has started to get a bit of a following.

I often think about him and people like him. He was born into a set of circumstances along with his inherited characteristics that dictated the direction his life has gone. The interesting thing about his videos is that you see his life from his point of view, not from ours. I think about whether I would behave any differently if I would have been born in his place.
 

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I think he just crashed. I was watching his livestream that ended very abruptly just as a car turned accross his path from the front. Go straight to the end. That's the most frightening sort of thing I see when I'm riding:
 

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You should have kept those bloody bright headlights. With 6000 Lumens (1800LM flashing, 4200LM constant) pointed forward, that sort of thing doesn't happen to me anymore. I reckon drivers assume I'd riding a motorbike, beacuse they either wait ages for me to pass at intersections, or dart across ahead allowing more than enough time and space. I don't do stealth. Better looked over than overlooked.
 
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Ghost1951

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I often think about him and people like him. He was born into a set of circumstances along with his inherited characteristics that dictated the direction his life has gone. The interesting thing about his videos is that you see his life from his point of view, not from ours. I think about whether I would behave any differently if I would have been born in his place.
This defence could be made by any criminal.

'It wasn't really me. It was the circumstances of my birth and bad upbringing.'

'I have bad genes. I didn't really do this. I'm not responsible.'

Where does this thinking leave us?

Those of a philosophical bent can explore the issue of 'free will and determinism'.

I could say of my early morning rant, 'It wasn't me who said they should be run over. It was the two large scoops of Colombian coffee into my coffee maker and made a small cup of psychoactive poison. It doesn't agree with me, and I get very irascible.'

What about the guy who does horrible things when he is drunk. Was it him, or his unfortunate addiction?

In the end we either hold people responsible for what they do, or we abandon our society to anarchy. I think we are part way down that track, not because we made a democratic decision to do it, but because the public services responsible for ensuring adherence to the laws made by a democracy, have abandoned their jobs.

We have police who select which laws will be enforced, prisons which are in chaos. Multiple female prison guards having sex with offenders while exercising a public office, a primary care system which doesn't do its job and won't see patients.

What next?
 
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Did you see what happened at the end of the video. Did he crash or not?
We could ask him if you like.

The mug made a video leaving from his home address. It took me all of eight minutes to track him down to a street address using Google maps and Street View. All it takes is a view of one street name or business sign and the rest is easy.

People who commit crime (failing to stop) show their faces on video and also make vlogs starting at their home address seem to be pretty short on brains.

Lees, Oldham. I could be much more exact than that, but will refrain.

He shows absolutely everything about where he lives in this video.


The cops could have looked at his videos and found him in ten minutes.
 
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