Great info thanks. So the frames for the camino and gran camino are exactly the same but with different tyres, is that the only difference? I admit I do prefer the wheels of the Gran Camino and hope to do as much off roading as on, but I was sure Hatti said the Gran Camino was larger? I dont mind the extra arm reach, but I do like both tipy-toes on the ground. My inside leg is 31".