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They will cost less than a trained Officer but you get what you pay for. I can be ordered to stay on duty and am multi functional ie I can investigate or fight rioters if needed. You will lose that flexibility with civilians. Sent from my LT15i using Tapatalk 2

I don't want to get too political the easiest way is to direct you to this thread which will give you a flavour of the way things are heading its started already in most Forces including mine, in the not too distant future the majority of the Police will be made up of civilians probably employed by G4S. G4S policing solutions - Page 2 - General Police Discussion - Police Oracle Forum - Page 2

Is it coincidence these stories about the Police coincide with several journalists being arrested for phone hacking, and the Government looking to privatise most of the Police I think not. Sent from my LT15i using Tapatalk 2

What a surprise another anti police story in the press! Funny I haven't seen any praise for the meticulous investigation that resulted in a life sentence for the bloke who killed 6 of his children! Sent from my LT15i using Tapatalk 2

Please do relocate the more electric bike shops near me the better! No more to be said by me except remember if you were to find out that an electric bike shop provided poor service that should not tarnish you its the same in my job. Sent from my LT15i using Tapatalk 2

Hi. I agree that you should be honest about your experiences and I am sorry that the way that you have been dealt with has not left you with much confidence in the Police. Flecc is spot on in that everybody forms their opinion based on their own personal experiences and on what they read in the Press. The Press have got a massive axe to grind with the Police at the moment as have the Government so they are putting out as many anti Police stories as possible. (Hence the story you refer to I’m sure that the circumstances are not as clear cut as reported and even if they are that is an individual Officers decision and is not common practice, it is not supported by the Chief Constable in her Force and may well be chucked out by the Civil Court) In my Force a couple of days ago a local business had in excess of £20000 stolen in a burglary we have recovered that money and several people have been charged but this won’t be publicised by the Press however if this had been your Business I am sure that your opinions may well have changed. Going back to the original point you raised the thread about the Police Officers using the bus lane, you should only activate your emergency equipment if justified and if the call is classed as an immediate risk however they may still have needed to get somewhere quickly (for instance one of their colleagues may have stopped someone they knew to be violent and who was about to be arrested but had not actually started to kick off at that point) If while in the bus lane they had been involved in an accident then they would be investigated and have had to justify their actions to their Senior Officers. My point is you should not jump to conclusions and think that they are breaking the law; we all have to be accountable for our actions, and believe me we are investigated thoroughly if we have not acted correctly in accordance with the Law or procedures.

As a serving Detective with 25 years in the job i'm sorry that you feel this way. Your opinion will certainly deter me from ever buying a bike from you. When you have worked early turns,lates and night shifts and been spat at, had bones broken, been called more names than I care to remember, had restrictions imposed on your social life, told where you can live, not allowed to have a second job without authority then maybe you will be qualified to comment. As for being able to retire at 50 I have been paying 340 pounds per month for 25 years and its just been increased by 3 percent. Many of my colleagues have been told they won't be able to retire when they were initially promised and will have to work an extra 7to 10 years to get a much worse pension, so the comments on this thread are not really appreciated by me as we have just had massive cuts to our wages and our pensions due to the economic problems caused by the financial sector. If your shop is broken into who will you call ? Yes the Police will you tell the Officer that attends to his face that you don't think the Police are any good? I personally have taken many dangerous criminals out of society, burglars, child abusers and attempted murderers and I am proud of that , it is still a great job and I try my best to do it well and to serve the public and protect life and property . I appreciate that there are bad apples but when you have several thousand people from different walks of life there are always going to be bad examples as there are in every other vocation. Where I work 90 per cent of Officers do a great job there a few wasters but like I said there are in every profession. I hope your experience of the Police improves in the future. There is a lot of bad publicitity about us in the press at the moment and a lot of it is propaganda being used so that the Govenment can attack our pay and conditions and privatise what they can. Please support your Police most of them just want to help and protect you and in doing so many will put themselves in danger. Remember we are the last line between order and a broken society if you don't believe me look at some other less civilised nations. Rant over, now where can I buy that Bosch bike i've been looking for..... (or I was until I took a 15 % pay cut)

Thankyou for the information they look really exciting. Are they legal in the UK?

Have you been on a Neo? I had a test drive a few weeks ago and was very disappointed with the noise it sounded like a milk float. I became very conscious of it when cycling past people and other cyclists. On the positive side dogs heard me a mile off and moved out of the way......

Thanks for the helpful replies, that puts my mind at rest, I was worried if I bought one what would happen if the battery ran out!

Thanks, I just wondered what it is like to ride if you run out of battery ?

Please can anybody who owns a bosch driven bike explain to me how it feels if you don't use the battery power, can you ride it as a normal bike, if so does it feel the same as an unpowered bike, no drag or noise etc? Thankyou.

Found this site on the web. Shipping for the bike you want is euro 9.90 Bergamont E-Bikes / Pedelecs :: HIBIKE

Ok my thoughts for what they are worth on the Tonaro. It is certainly not as attractive as the Haibike or the new Bosch system bikes I aggree with Eddieo(especially the motor thing on the bottom could they not disguise this as a waterbottle like cytronex) however it does seem to have a lot of advantages as I see it these are as follows. 1. Price. 2. No drag when pedalling without power. 3. No noise.(bosch has been reported to be noisy) 4. Excellent range 5. The weight may even be an advantage on the full suspension in ironing out the bumps. 6. It can easily be derestricted to increase speed. Even the Germans are talking about them but I don't know what they are saying how do you translate the thread here is the link Vorstellung Umbau Rolektro Sport I like it in the Scott livery )

Great looking bike Eddieo but HOW MUCH IS IT? Its like comparing a Rolls Royce with a Mini. The Mini is still fun to drive and gets you from A to B but the Rolls Royce looks better and is more stylish but costs about 6 times as much as the Mini. I don't see how you can compare that to a Tonaro?