I am torn between these two, any feedback or comments?

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If you buy the Levo you need to get at least a £1000 discount or better as that seems to be the standard deal.

 

Not sure why they are so heavily discounted.

what is the cost of the batt for them tho as i bet it is more than bosch

If you buy the Levo you need to get at least a £1000 discount or better as that seems to be the standard deal.

 

Not sure why they are so heavily discounted.

Who's offering that kind of discount? Local shop not budging on cost for the Levo.

Is the brose motor any good? heard mixed reviews. Also heard of issues with gear change being clunky on the Levo and chain coming off etc. The powerfly 9 uses the new EX1 chain set and derailleur.

EddiePJ's mate just got £1500 deal and he was offered same.

I asked him about this and it was a deal only to him because of a sponsorship offer.

 

Or I would have jumped on that

I have a Levo, and I had issues with the chain coming off, until I adjusted the chain guide. Turns out there are different shims to pack it out, which explains the funny piece of metal in the bag I got when I bought it! Not had the problem since. Not sure if the "problems" with the Brose motor is more one of rider perception, but am very pleased with mine. If anyone with a Trek wants to meet up and do a comparison I'd be happy to oblige.

Mark

"different shims to pack it out"

Well something to ask about getting done when or if I go for one to get it done ready to ride ?

 

earthmover

What sort of a range do you get and on what setting ?

 

Still Over thinking the 460w v 500 on other bikes I am looking at with will I end up been out thinking if only I had 500w the extra range tho I am an guessing it would not be a lot more range

Also looking at the Levo FSR. Undecided between the basic for £3500 or the Comp £4000. Going to check them out at Specialized concept store store next week. If they can offer an additional discount will probably buy on the spot.

 

Had a look at the Scott E-Genius 720 Plus the other week. Was unimpressed with the quality of the seat dropper and plastic trim around the battery / motor which seemed to be coming loose on all the display bikes. Didn't get to have a test ride but already put off, not the quality I expect for such a expensive bike.

 

Not sure about the Trek Powerfly's, may check them out as local dealer stocks them but on paper they look very similar to the Scott's.

Edited January 24, 20179 yr by I Am Jon

Well glad I can remove the Scott from my wish list

 

Need to go see the Giant shop tho its the old Yam PW motor tho it looks nice I have seen people say about the problems with it and the PW-X addresses them. but giant do their own mods / set up so might not have them.

 

Let us know how you get on.

 

Also, check as I am not sure but the comp does not come with the chain tool that the expert has?

Had a look at the Scott E-Genius 720 Plus the other week. Was unimpressed with the quality of the seat dropper and plastic trim around the battery / motor which seemed to be coming loose on all the display bikes. Didn't get to have a test ride but already put off, not the quality I expect for such a expensive bike.

 

From the looks of this pic the Trek may be a bit better:

https://license.citruslime.com/cs/blogs/rutland/powerflymotor2_357FA178.jpg

"different shims to pack it out"

Well something to ask about getting done when or if I go for one to get it done ready to ride ?

 

earthmover

What sort of a range do you get and on what setting ?

 

Still Over thinking the 460w v 500 on other bikes I am looking at with will I end up been out thinking if only I had 500w the extra range tho I am an guessing it would not be a lot more range

 

Hi Richard,

Bit of a piece of string question, but I'll give you what info I have.

My battery says I have charged it 18 times and done 892 km, so that's nearly 50 km per charge. Bear in mind that I haven't always been into the red, so there is probably a bit more to go. I spend most of my time between 15 and 35 % assistance, only using 100% for showing off, or racing. According to Strava my average ride is 12.6 km with 216m of climbing, but this is short sharp climbs, not long slogs. Hope this helps.

Mark

Also looking at the Levo FSR. Undecided between the basic for £3500 or the Comp £4000. Going to check them out at Specialized concept store store next week. If they can offer an additional discount will probably buy on the spot.

 

Had a look at the Scott E-Genius 720 Plus the other week. Was unimpressed with the quality of the seat dropper and plastic trim around the battery / motor which seemed to be coming loose on all the display bikes. Didn't get to have a test ride but already put off, not the quality I expect for such a expensive bike.

 

Not sure about the Trek Powerfly's, may check them out as local dealer stocks them but on paper they look very similar to the Scott's.

Check out Cube and Lapierre if there are any nearby. I like ride on my Cube Stereo 140 HPA race 500 with good components.

I am loving my Powerfly 9 fs but cant add any advise because of no experience of the Levo .

 

One thing I am super impressed with is the gear range of the EX1 cassette

11/48 and only 8 speed but it handles the climbs very well and I am a heavy bugger

using the lowest gear and tour setting I have climbed some hills just lately which I have never cleaned 30 years ago when at my fittest

 

This is what I dont want to happen

Check out 8:50 on

 

 

Tho I am only guessing but the other biker (camera man) was changing the power level while on the ride and the other was on turbo all the time.

 

But this is my mmmmm do the other system give longer rides than the levo ?

the speed limit in the us is 20mph and then cuts out.

the speed limit in the us is 20mph and then cuts out.

 

I should have said but I was relating to the battery running out on the Levo and the other having more power left. Sounds like a lot more left

 

i get about 30 miles on the flat and that thing is useless

Guess a lot can come down to how much the user puts in . if the other rider was fitter and he had the power lower than turbo and the Levo was in turbo all the time as it hard to change with no control. This would end in more power used all the time

 

Just have to see how my test day goes.

 

Just options mmmmm Levo I could get soon the other is a pre order :-(

 

This is what I dont want to happen

Check out 8:50 on

 

 

Tho I am only guessing but the other biker (camera man) was changing the power level while on the ride and the other was on turbo all the time.

 

But this is my mmmmm do the other system give longer rides than the levo ?

 

To be fair, neither of them were riding for planned efficiency, which is the key to ride length. It is something that you just learn as you become accustomed to the bike, irrelevant of make.

 

Or certainly that is how I try to ride.

 

I was thinking about my mates new Levo whilst out on last nights ride, and comparing how it wouldn't have performed overly well for a considerable part of the ride. Last nights ride was a very tight technical ride through woodlands that didn't have any trails other than those made by animals.

To conserve power, I was riding as much as possible in eco and tour, but because of the nature of the ride and the endless ditches to cross, banks to climb, fallen trees and logs to hop over, and roots to traverse, I was constantly switching into sport mode, with a couple of turbo mode thrown in for good measure. Looking down to fumble for a power setting just wouldn't have happened, and certainly not without either stopping or falling off.

As you said in your pm, there is an aftermarket control button that can be purchased separately, but should you really need to be doing that on what is an already expensive bike. Without that control button, last nights ride using a Levo, would have needed to have been tackled in a high power setting, with the risk of unnecessary battery usage.

 

This issue was one that I quickly noted on my brief test ride, well that and power characteristics that I didn't like, and both were enough to put me off buying one, and my mind didn't change, and even with the vast discount on offer I couldn't be tempted.

The issues that I found, won't be an issue for my mate though, as we both prefer different riding disciplines. He just wants his bike for an uplift for winter DH training, so isn't really worried about power settings, and will just have it maxed out all of the time.

Edited January 24, 20179 yr by EddiePJ

eddie you got a price for a new levo 500w batt ?

 

found it

https://www.specialized.com/de/de/accessories/turbolevobattery/118115

 

not sure i like the look of that as the on off and the assist up down is part of the battery ?

Afraid not, but remembering what you had said about it before, I did tell my mate to find out, but he sort of shrugged the question off.