May 10, 20241 yr Good points, but you forgot to mention that Daszak's Eco Health Alliance, who were paying the Wuhan lab to do the research, got the money from Faucci's NIAID, and Shi Zhenli, who was the principle virologist there doing the research, credited Faucci as the sponsor when she wrote her paper about how she had achieved making a bat virus infect humans. I mentioned them in other posts but I spelled Danszac's name wrongly. Dr Shi produced grant applications referred to in Alina Chan's book where she proposed taking bat corona viruses and modifying them to become human pathogens derived from bat viruses they had in store at Wuhan. I have read the application, but don't have time to go and find references to it. As I recall, she mentioned the technique called 'serial passage'which means taking the viruses through many generations to select the ones that became more human pathogenic in nature. This work was done in mice with genetic modifications to make them humanlike in the lung tissue. The WIV Professor Shi works at in Wuhan, did not in the end get the grant from Eco Health for reasons of scruples from American regulators, but they were doing that kind of work, and the WIV was not short of cash from China itself, so there is no way they did not continue what they were doing when the grant got knocked back. The WIV also held the RatG13 virus, which is the nearest virus we know of in genetic make up to Sars-Cov-2. Of course it is odd that whereas their virus database up until January 2020 was online for researchers world wide, it suddenly vanished when the people started getting very sick with Sars-Cov-2. It's a slam dunk as far as any sensible person is concerned - even though obfuscation from China has hidden the smoking gun of reports on the actual virus that escaped and how it happened. EDIT: One of Alina Chan's key points is that it is impossibly rare for a virus to suddenly emerge naturally that is so perfectly adapted to infect its host. Sars-Cov-2 WAS hat perfect storm of an infective virus. She also points out that when viruses DO emerge naturally (like MERS which came from camels to people) the genome of the emerging virus changes in multiple ways very rapidly as the imperfect new version tunes in to the new host's differences . This did not happen with Sars-Cov-2. The changes are much more minor, she says. EDIT#2 Yes on Faucci. Though I do not have a grasp of what exactly he did. Faucci, I think has some role in giving out grants. I am not aware that any American money was ever finally given to the Wuhan lab in the time frame that is relevant to the emergence of the disease. My understanding is that Danszak's outfit declined the Prof Shi ZengLi application for money to do serial passage on bat corona viruses.
May 10, 20241 yr he sent more than 100 billions worth of aids but only about 20% of the amount is cash, the rest is in weapons paid to American companies. As for Biden's corruption, it remains to be tested in court where the debate is properly fair. Hunter Biden claims that the incriminating emails were inserted into his laptop and he is prepared to sue for defamation when the right wing media such as Fox News use them. Until now, the maga republicans have systematically have been caught lying and lost in Court, even in front of republican judges. Did you follow the cross examimation of Stormy Daniels yesterday? The transcript made me giggle when Necklace asked Daniels who she called the orange turd. Normally, her testimony shouldn't be admissible, because she started off by saying that she hates Trump and she owes him $500k, which she says he will never get. That's what was awarded to trump by a fair judge after her failed lawsuit against him.
May 10, 20241 yr I think you are misreading my referenced article the "so far" means until this research Here is a report on that article https://www.science.org/content/article/close-cousins-sars-cov-2-found-cave-laos-yield-new-clues-about-pandemic-s-origins When SARS-CoV-2 was discovered in early 2020, some researchers initially suspected it might have been engineered in a laboratory and accidentally escaped, in part because a region of the viral surface protein that latches onto human cellular receptors had an uncanny fit. “It looked kind of strange, right?” says Edward Holmes, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Sydney. “People were saying, well, maybe that’s been selected in a lab.” Now, however, the discovery of three coronaviruses in bats living in limestone caves in Laos adds substantial weight to existing evidence that the virus was not engineered, Holmes says. The three viruses, reported in a preprint on Research Square on 17 September, are the closest relatives to SARS-CoV-2 found to date, and they are the first discovered that are nearly identical in that key region. “The core, functional part of SARS-CoV-2 has a natural origin,” says Linfa Wang, a bat coronavirus researcher at the Duke-NUS Medical School in Singapore. “It’s proven.” The BANAL virus is able to utilise the furin cleavage method of infecting a human cells, but the virus is nothing near Sars-Cov-2 in genetic makeup. It is true and was known that some viruses have this feature in one way or another, but that does not (as the article says) disallow the idea that this particular virus that causes Covid-19 was made by serial passage in the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The nearest virus to it in the wild (in animals) was RaTG13. This virus does not have that furin cleavage ability. RaTG13 was in store at the Wuhan Lab and its genome was published by them but all access to that database was stopped in January 2020 when people became sick in Wuhan and they started welding the doors of apartment buildings to keep people inside.
May 10, 20241 yr Normally, her testimony shouldn't be admissible, because she started off by saying that she hates Trump and she owes him $500k, which she says he will never get. That's what was awarded to trump by a fair judge after her failed lawsuit against him. I thought that the prosecution only wanted her testimony aired and tested in court. I don't expect Trump going to jail over this case. His lawyers will easily delay the outcome until November. After that, Trump won't be a threat anymore.
May 10, 20241 yr I thought that the prosecution only wanted her testimony aired and tested in court. I don't expect Trump going to jail over this case. His lawyers will easily delay the outcome until November. After that, Trump won't be a threat anymore. It's just theatre. They want any excuse to be able to put up people to say bad things about Trump that they can use the media and social media to amplify. It's basically a political campaign for the election. The problem is that most US citizens understand that now, so the more they do, the worse it gets for them. Gold and silver are climbing agai - always a sign of imminent disaster.
May 10, 20241 yr The nearest virus to it in the wild (in animals) was RaTG13. "The closest previous isolate, RaTG13, came from yet another bat species, R. affinis, living in a cave in Mojiang, in China’s Yunnan province. Its similarity to SARS-CoV-2 is 96.2%—only slightly lower than the BANAL viruses—but the number obscures a profound distinction between the new isolates and RaTG13."
May 10, 20241 yr Gold and silver are climbing agai - always a sign of imminent disaster. in short term, chocolate would be better bet. Look at the last 3 years, stock market outperforms gold, especially renewable electricity.
May 10, 20241 yr in short term, chocolate would be better bet. Look at the last 3 years, stock market outperforms gold, especially renewable electricity. yeah untill it all cashes like it always does boom and bust not long now tho not even the roman empire survived same as the rest of them oh well. https://www.usdebtclock.org/ buy end of the year interest payment alone will be 1 trillion a month long term u are fooked the dollar is finished. Edited May 10, 20241 yr by soundwave
May 10, 20241 yr You might be in danger of having uttered a libel there old chap Well I would apologize if i had misinterpreted the implication put out on wiki and the guardian, and other equally unscrupulous biased media reporting.
May 10, 20241 yr https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13402759/Severe-solar-storm-watch-alert-NOAA.html
May 10, 20241 yr https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13402759/Severe-solar-storm-watch-alert-NOAA.html If you vote labour the sun will break completely.
May 10, 20241 yr in short term, chocolate would be better bet. Look at the last 3 years, stock market outperforms gold, especially renewable electricity. No, because it doesn't keep, and it has a tenancy to melt in this weather.
May 10, 20241 yr "The closest previous isolate, RaTG13, came from yet another bat species, R. affinis, living in a cave in Mojiang, in China’s Yunnan province. Its similarity to SARS-CoV-2 is 96.2%—only slightly lower than the BANAL viruses—but the number obscures a profound distinction between the new isolates and RaTG13." Yes Peter, 96.2 sounds like it ought to be pretty close, but in virus terms , it means it is pretty far off from any animal virus which is why Alina Chan thought the engineered virus was a very strong possibility. If it was a natural spillover from an animal virus, you would expect it to be much closer to the animal virus.
May 10, 20241 yr Yes Peter, 96.2 sounds like it ought to be pretty close, but in virus terms , it means it is pretty far off from any animal virus which is why Alina Chan thought the engineered virus was a very strong possibility. If it was a natural spillover from an animal virus, you would expect it to be much closer to the animal virus. Yes, aren't humans 98.9 % genetically identical to chimpanzees. Didn't the book rely on the theory that the “preadaptation” that was needed to make Covid-19 infectious to humans was very suspicious and a sign that it originated in the lab whereas exactly the same adaption had happened naturally in the BANAL viruses.
May 10, 20241 yr Yes, aren't humans 98.9 % genetically identical to chimpanzees. Didn't the book rely on the theory that the “preadaptation” that was needed to make Covid-19 infectious to humans was very suspicious and a sign that it originated in the lab whereas exactly the same adaption had happened naturally in the BANAL viruses. Yes on the Chimpanzee /Human point. On the BANAL virus and Sars-Covi02 - we are not quite on the same page, I think. https://www.pasteur.fr/en/research-journal/news/origins-sars-cov-2-search-goes An initial study5 published in Nature in February 2022 reported that researchers from the Institut Pasteur, in particular from the Pathogen Discovery Laboratory led by Marc Eloit, had discovered coronaviruses highly similar to SARS-CoV-2 in fecal swabs from bats in northern Laos, including three sarbecoviruses dubbed BANAL-103, BANAL-236 and BANAL-52. They showed that these viruses bind to the human ACE2 receptor more efficiently than the first SARS-CoV-2 strains sequenced at the start of the outbreak in Wuhan, and that they can replicate in human cells. However, a further finding was that the spike proteins of these sarbecoviruses lacked the furin* cleavage site, an important determinant of SARS-CoV-2 pathogenicity and transmissibility by respiratory route, which was present in the SARS-CoV-2 virus circulating in the human population from the beginning of the epidemic. This cleavage site plays a key role in mediating viral entry into respiratory epithelial cells (particularly those in the lungs).
May 10, 20241 yr Thanks, interesting article. I think my instinct (as per the article introduction) is that the most likely explanation is (as in SARS and MERS before it) that the virus crossed the species barrier from an intermediate host sold at the wet market but we can't rule out (yet) a lab leak. Although I do accept that we would have expected to see the virus in the wild somewhere. I have listened to the BBC podcast which had some interviews with Alina Chan https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/m001mdfw?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile Which highlighted the secrecy and control freakery of the Chinese government, but I'm not sure that really helps in terms of explanation of the mechanism Edited May 10, 20241 yr by Peter.Bridge
May 10, 20241 yr https://www.punchline-gloucester.com/articles/aanews/man-sentenced-for-almost-two-million-pound-cannabis-plantation-above-gloucester-job-centre https://www.acuitus.co.uk/property/5114/ i could grow the living crap out of that
May 11, 20241 yr "Cows have human flu receptors, study shows, raising stakes on bird flu outbreak in dairy cattle" https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/09/health/bird-flu-cows-human-receptors/index.html
May 11, 20241 yr "Stem-cell researcher Carolina Florian didn’t trust what she was seeing. Her elderly laboratory mice were starting to look younger. They were more sprightly and their coats were sleeker. Yet all she had done was to briefly treat them — many weeks earlier — with a drug that corrected the organization of proteins inside a type of stem cell." https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-01274-3
May 11, 20241 yr https://boris.unibe.ch/158503/1/siegenthaler84cc.pdf This article describes some of the issues with historic co2 measurements, but the size of the possible error is so small that it doesn't matter. The debate here is whether the methods REALLY found co2 at levels like 280 parts per million of co2 to atmosphere or 300 parts per million. The current measurement is yelding figures of 410 parts per million. The level has increased greatly, and we should all be doing things to prevent further increase (which YOU are doing as you pointed out above). For me - my main gripe is the overblown, exaggerated hysteria about the world burning up and everyone dying. One day, this planet WILL be like Venus with surface temperatures around 400c. This will happen because the sun will expand in 1 to 5 billion years. It will not be happening because I drive a petrol car, and people go on holiday in jet planes. Our species has shown even in pre-industrial times that our ingenuity is so great that we can adapt to and live in every environment on this planet, no matter how adverse. We will certainly adapt to changes of 2.5 degrees of warming. In the Cretaceous period of geological time when the dinosaurs were roaming a jungle planet, co2 was far higher than now and the planet was about six degrees c warmer than now. Greenhouse farmers artificially boost co2 levels to more than twice the present outdoor level and raise the temperature artificially too. Why do they do this? To grow more food. This end of the world hype is bo llox. This Pub Med article suggests that in the Cretaceous period, planetary temperatures were as much as twelve degrees C hotter than now and that co2 levels were as much as 14 times what we have seen in recent times. The period discussed was a time of massive species and plant diversity, but many of the creatures were giant carnivorous lizards..... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11539811/ [ATTACH type=full" alt="57657]57657[/ATTACH] https://www.sony.com.hk/reonpocket/en/
May 11, 20241 yr "I Went To China And Drove A Dozen Electric Cars. Western Automakers Are Cooked A trip to the Beijing Auto Show reveals just how advanced China's EVs are. So what are the so-called "foreign" automakers doing about it? " https://insideevs.com/features/719015/china-is-ahead-of-west/amp/
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