May 28, 20232 yr It looks like they have pulled the DM01 and DM02 for the moment. It's good that they have done that. Their motors are promising.
May 31, 20232 yr How do you mean "they pulled them"? I asked PSWPower and them directly and both offered to sell motor to me. PSWPower has no DM02 500W 48v motor variant, only 36v. I still wait Toseven to confirm me if there will be. I do not plan to order till I read some independent review, especially about torque sensing quality. It looks like they have pulled the DM01 and DM02 for the moment. It's good that they have done that. Their motors are promising.
May 31, 20232 yr They removed both the 01 and 02 from their website. They have a new one but no pics yet
May 31, 20232 yr Not quite: https://to7motor.com/product-category/mid-drive-unit/ They removed both the 01 and 02 from their website. They have a new one but no pics yet
May 31, 20232 yr They removed them from their to7motor.cn website. Your link is to their to7motor.com and it says archives in the title.
May 31, 20232 yr I do not thik so. Small Chinese companies are not so famous for consistency in web presence. However, something is going on, and I think we should wait with orders untill we get some confirmation how does it work. They removed them from their to7motor.cn website. Your link is to their to7motor.com and it says archives in the title.
June 2, 20232 yr I got info that CN data is out of date. Up to date motor versions are on COM website. Seems like they will be on the market again, soon. Production delays. They removed them from their to7motor.cn website. Your link is to their to7motor.com and it says archives in the title.
June 2, 20232 yr I got info that CN data is out of date. Up to date motor versions are on COM website. did they tell you when the production properly commences?
June 2, 20232 yr Nope, but if I find out something I will post here... did they tell you when the production properly commences?
June 10, 20232 yr Me too, but lack of any info is a bit frustrating. I started thinking about buying CYC Photon, but that is a bit expensive for DIY if you calculate VAT and Customs on top of the price. With battery you come close to factory made hardtail bikes with Bosch CX motor. There is a rumor on Discord that some new DM01 version will be made, with improved cooling. Also no info if that is real and when that might happen. Youtube review of DM01 was great, but it seems a bit heavy if you want pedalling assist motor rather than turn your bicycle to motorcycle. I read/saw somewhere that To7 will attend on some Bicycle fare/expo end of this month, maybe there will be more info about everything after that? Who knows. Anyway, we can only wait and see what happens. I do like what they try to do, the LCD has heaps of info and settings.
June 10, 20232 yr .... I read/saw somewhere that To7 will attend on some Bicycle fare/expo end of this month, maybe there will be more info about everything after that? Who knows. .... This exibition is in Frankfurt Germany: Eurobike 21-25 June 2023 A nice holiday trip for [mention=6303]Woosh[/mention]? Edited June 10, 20232 yr by elinx
July 16, 20232 yr Hi guys Im alex, in working for toseven. Im happy to answer any questions! Thanks Hi Alex! Can I install the DM01 or DM02 in a carbon frame. Have they more space than TSDZ?
July 16, 20232 yr Hi Alex! Can I install the DM01 or DM02 in a carbon frame. Have they more space than TSDZ? The 02 has a lot more space. It's really difficult to say without more detail. What frame is it?
July 16, 20232 yr Hi Alex! Can I install the DM01 or DM02 in a carbon frame. Have they more space than TSDZ? Can you take your bottom bracket out and measure the thickness of the frame at that point. Also maybe send some pictures
July 16, 20232 yr The 02 has a lot more space. It's really difficult to say without more detail. What frame is it? Santa Cruz Bronson 2018
July 16, 20232 yr Can you take your bottom bracket out and measure the thickness of the frame at that point. Also maybe send some pictures I have a Santa Cruz Bronson C 2018
July 17, 20232 yr Saw this new vid on youtube might be of interest, looks at DM01 and DM02. the video does not add much to what we already know. Also, he spends a fair amount of time talking about maximum power which is irrelevant to most of us who want a road legal motor. I would like to see someone to show inside those motors. That would convince me why I should want to choose a newcomer over a known quamtity.
July 17, 20232 yr the video does not add much to what we already know. A picture is worth a thousand words, this is quite a negative reply, the point is there is more to come form this source, this is what I was trying to alert others to. he spends a fair amount of time talking about maximum power which is irrelevant to most of us who want a road legal motor. So what, that's his business model the clue is in the name, not really relevant though the point is this is the first good look at the DM02 externally. The fact its a 500w model isnt going to matter too much its going to be the same as a 250w physically. As far as performance goes I will look elsewhere for that info. Generally you dont get all the info on a kit from one source you have to go to several, this is just one of those. If I thought like that I would never have bought my tsdz2. I know its flawed but its the best I could find. The info on it was hard to find and mostly came from several sources on forums, sifting out the ill informed and biased to get a clearer picture. I am applying the same process to this as the TSDZ2,its got a way to go but at the moment im not picking up any deal breakers, the TSDZ2 was a lot worse.
July 17, 20232 yr the TSDZ2 was the best since sliced bread when it first appears. Same goes for the Bafang BBS01. The BBS01 became BBS01B with the issues identified and corrected. Issues on the TSDZ2 are few and far in between for typical road legal kits and the fixes are already tried and tested, albeit that Tongsheng took a long time to come up with the TSDZ2B compared to Bafang BBS01B. The reason for the delay may be that Bafang have superior resources. From my point of view as a vendor, support costs money and goodwill. I would take manufacturers' claims with a small dose of skepticism until somebody shares their experience after clocking up a fair amount of miles with the new kit. It's a shame that Ananda has not made a bottom bracket version of their well proven mid-drive motors. They would have given to both BBS01B and TSDZ2B a good kicking. Edited July 17, 20232 yr by Woosh
July 17, 20232 yr the TSDZ2 was the best since sliced bread when it first appears. Same goes for the Bafang BBS01. The BBS01 became BBS01B with the issues identified and corrected. Issues on the TSDZ2 are few and far in between for typical road legal kits and the fixes are already tried and tested, albeit that Tongsheng took a long time to come up with the TSDZ2B compared to Bafang BBS01B. The reason for the delay may be that Bafang have superior resources. From my point of view as a vendor, support costs money and goodwill. I would take manufacturers' claims with a small dose of skepticism until somebody shares their experience after clocking up a fair amount of miles with the new kit. If you go by the number of posts on forums the TSDZ2 is the least reliable of any of the well known kits, but its also the best supported. The thing that swung it for me was that there are lots of spares more so than any other option. Thats potentially because there is a healthy market for spares. The general impression is of a motor is working without enough margin on the physical parameters that can break if pushed too hard. While yes it should be more reliable if you dont push it too hard, how is the ordinary user to judge that. Generally its better if your motor does not have a reputation for breaking, then this is not an issue. I am willing to take it apart and fix it but not all are the same. The new TSDZ2B doesnt seem to address one of the major issues, the breaking axels. There are also some reports of reduced power output on the ES forum as I recall, although more reports are needed to convince me all suffer from this. The TSDZ2 is still the best option but its not out of the woods yet my thinking is that if someone comes up with a product that has the advantages but eliminates the disadvantages thats where I should go. I am believe thats what others are thinking. The DM02 has muddied the water I personally would not buy another tsdz2 till the picture was clearer. The hope is that the DM02 has addressed the issues that Tongsheng have failed to do so. If not I will stick with the TSDZ2.
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