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Batteries

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"A new ‘Product Safety and Metrology Bill’ announced in the King’s Speech today seeks to address the fire risks associated with e-bikes and lithium-ion batteries in the UK."

 

https://zagdaily.com/trends/kings-speech-2024-new-product-safety-bill-seeks-to-address-e-bike-battery-fires/

 

https://ebiketips.road.cc/content/news/electrical-safety-first-extends-e-scooter-safety-advice-to-prince-william-following

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"Product safety Bill aims to protect consumers against fire-risk e-bikes

 

Laws will deliver more protection for consumers against ‘high-risk’ products such as fire-risk e-bikes and lithium-ion batteries"

 

https://consumervoice.uk/shopping/product-safety-bill-aims-to-protect-consumers-against-fire-risk-e-bikes/

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/kings-speech-2024-background-briefing-notes

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"E-bike battery starts major blaze in Hammersmith block"

 

""The e-bike had been converted from a normal e-bike. Converting pedal bikes into e-bikes using DIY kits bought online can be very dangerous. They can pose a higher risk of fire. Get a professional or competent person to carry out the conversion and make sure to buy a battery from a reputable seller and that it is not second-hand.” "

 

https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/news/2024/07/e-bike-battery-starts-major-blaze-hammersmith-block

 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp680jll4j7o

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"E-bike battery starts major blaze in Hammersmith block"

 

""The e-bike had been converted from a normal e-bike. Converting pedal bikes into e-bikes using DIY kits bought online can be very dangerous. They can pose a higher risk of fire. Get a professional or competent person to carry out the conversion and make sure to buy a battery from a reputable seller and that it is not second-hand.” "

 

https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/news/2024/07/e-bike-battery-starts-major-blaze-hammersmith-block

 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp680jll4j7o

As I posted on another thread. A motor that is the diameter of a dinner plate shouts "Illegal!".

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BYD and CATL To Produce EV Batteries That Fully Charge in 10 Min by the End of 2024

 

"Even though we'll soon have batteries capable of ultra-high charging rates, it doesn't mean much if the infrastructure limits charging speeds. A 6C battery with a capacity of 100 kWh would require chargers capable of dispensing over 650 kW, including losses. In February, Huawei announced its most powerful DC fast charger, which can deliver up to 600 kW of power. "

 

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/by-the-end-of-2024-byd-and-catl-will-produce-ev-batteries-that-fully-charge-in-10-minutes-235494.html

BYD and CATL To Produce EV Batteries That Fully Charge in 10 Min by the End of 2024

 

"Even though we'll soon have batteries capable of ultra-high charging rates, it doesn't mean much if the infrastructure limits charging speeds. A 6C battery with a capacity of 100 kWh would require chargers capable of dispensing over 650 kW, including losses. In February, Huawei announced its most powerful DC fast charger, which can deliver up to 600 kW of power. "

 

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/by-the-end-of-2024-byd-and-catl-will-produce-ev-batteries-that-fully-charge-in-10-minutes-235494.html

The batteries won't charge in 10 minutes. That would require a charge rate of 600kw or about 3000 amps. You'd need a power station for that and leads so heavy that you wouldn't be able to carry them to the charge socket.

Elon Musk Announces Tesla's NEW Aluminum-ion Super Battery. 15-min Charging, 5000 Wh/kg Density

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0o68GO-JZA

Efore you get too excited, it's 1000wh per kg, not 5000wh. Again, I don't know how many battery technology breakthrough stories we've seen on this forum in the last 10 years - literally 100s. None have yet been realised!

Not quite that bad, we already have over half that charging rate for some cars with leads easily handled. This is from just one of the companies involved, Gridserve:

 

"That takes total High Power charger installations for the year to 118, which means we now operate 141 High Power 350kW- capable chargers at 15 locations, including our Electric Forecourts® in Norwich and Braintree – where we also have dozens of 90kW DC".

 

No need for a power station either, there are some techniques getting round that need.

 

  • 1 Lucid Air - 350 kW, 15 minutes. ...
  • 2 Kia EV6/ Hyundai Ioniq 5 - 350kW, 18 minutes. ...
  • 3 Hyundai Ioniq 6 - 350 kW, 18 minutes. ...
  • 4 Genesis Electrified GV70, Genesis GV60 - 350kW, 18 minutes. ...
  • 5 Audi E-Tron GT - 270kW, 21 minutes. ...
  • 6 Genesis Electrified G80 - 350kW, 22 minutes.

and of course there's Tesla's numerous 250kW superchargers.

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Not quite that bad, we already have over half that charging rate for some cars with leads easily handled. This is from just one of the companies involved, Gridserve:

 

"That takes total High Power charger installations for the year to 118, which means we now operate 141 High Power 350kW- capable chargers at 15 locations, including our Electric Forecourts® in Norwich and Braintree – where we also have dozens of 90kW DC".

 

No need for a power station either, there are some techniques getting round that need.

 

  • 1 Lucid Air - 350 kW, 15 minutes. ...
  • 2 Kia EV6/ Hyundai Ioniq 5 - 350kW, 18 minutes. ...
  • 3 Hyundai Ioniq 6 - 350 kW, 18 minutes. ...
  • 4 Genesis Electrified GV70, Genesis GV60 - 350kW, 18 minutes. ...
  • 5 Audi E-Tron GT - 270kW, 21 minutes. ...
  • 6 Genesis Electrified G80 - 350kW, 22 minutes.

and of course there's Tesla's numerous 250kW superchargers.

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If you go into the details, none of those things give you what they say.

 

If you go into the details, none of those things give you what they say.

 

 

I disagree, read the answers. All rapid and ultra rapid chargers only deliver the full amount initially and slowly and gradually phase down the rate as the battery fills, the rate falling off a cliff at 80% charged to protect the battery. The person complaining was already at 68% charge, very close to the maximum 80% delivered by a Tesla supercharger, so obviously the rate was well down at that point.

 

But I've posted some actual total charging times for you of between 15 and 22 minutes, these are to 80% of course and on cars and batteries designed for the very high rates, enough time to drink a coffee before getting on your way.

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I disagree, read the answers. All rapid and ultra rapid chargers only deliver the full amount initially and slowly and gradually phase down the rate as the battery fills, the rate falling off a cliff at 80% charged to protect the battery. The person complaining was already at 68% charge, very close to the maximum 80% delivered by a Tesla supercharger, so obviously the rate was well down at that point.

 

But I've posted some actual total charging times for you of between 15 and 22 minutes, these are to 80% of course and on cars and batteries designed for the very high rates, enough time to drink a coffee before getting on your way.

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That's known as "cope". Most of the ones saying it could be done are probably all bots. You can see who are the actual car owners, who tried it, and all said 70kw.

That's known as "cope". Most of the ones saying it could be done are probably all bots. You can see who are the actual car owners, who tried it, and all said 70kw.

 

Without knowing what charge they already had when plugging in, the numbers are meaningless. I know from my own experience how the phase down happens and it corresponds with those charge times I quoted for cars that could accept those high charge levels.

 

Ok, you hate e-vehicles but you try too hard to convince. Remember back in January when you tried to say our buses were burning at two a week after two had burnt for the reason I'd given.

 

No London e-bus has caught fire since and there's no way anyone round here wants the diesels back through our estate.

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