August 10, 20241 yr Data from QBE an Insurance company derived from an FOI request to all UK fire services. total 270 fires in 2023. How many chip pan fires were there? How may fires started by cigarettes were there? This is a storm in a teacup. Vested interests are keen to fan the flames of panic.
August 10, 20241 yr Data from QBE an Insurance company derived from an FOI request to all UK fire services. [ATTACH type=full" alt="59307]59307[/ATTACH] total 270 fires in 2023. How many chip pan fires were there? How may fires started by cigarettes were there? This is a storm in a teacup. Vested interests are keen to fan the flames of panic. It seems that you can't be bothered to fully research your argument or you would have known that there are around 10,500 fires caused by cooking appliances & just under 2,000 fires cause by smoking materials. The number of e-bike fires increased by 70% from 2022 to 2023 & with greater uptake of e-bikes this number is only going to increase. In any case the absolute numbers aren't the end of it. There are under 2,000 fires caused by smoking materials. but these account for 35% of the fire related fatalities. https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/detailed-analysis-of-fires-attended-by-fire-and-rescue-services-england-april-2022-to-march-2023/detailed-analysis-of-fires-attended-by-fire-and-rescue-services-england-april-2022-to-march-2023#causes-of-dwelling-fires-and-fire-related-fatalities
August 10, 20241 yr It seems that you can't be bothered to fully research your argument or you would have known that there are around 10,500 fires caused by cooking appliances & just under 2,000 fires cause by smoking materials. The number of e-bike fires increased by 70% from 2022 to 2023 & with greater uptake of e-bikes this number is only going to increase. In any case the absolute numbers aren't the end of it. There are under 2,000 fires caused by smoking materials. but these account for 35% of the fire related fatalities. https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/detailed-analysis-of-fires-attended-by-fire-and-rescue-services-england-april-2022-to-march-2023/detailed-analysis-of-fires-attended-by-fire-and-rescue-services-england-april-2022-to-march-2023#causes-of-dwelling-fires-and-fire-related-fatalities So there were 270 fires caused by ebikes, 10,500 fires caused by cooking activities, and almost 2000 fires caused by smoking....... Thanks for confirming my impression that ebikes are a trivial risk and that we should be saving lives by forcing people to live on cold sandwiches while not smoking. Imagine the savings we could make to the costs of fire damage. By the way - as for my 'failing to research properly', do you think I am your pupil or something? You are fortunate that I devote any time at all to persuading you from error and nonsense. You have been sadly let down in your education, or perhaps 'indoctrination' is a better word, and I have been charitable enough to offer some small assistance in undoing that bad stuff that was done to you.
August 10, 20241 yr The total number of eBike fires might well have been 270, and cooking fires 10,500. But to compare the actual risks, you need to know how many households have electric bike batteries, we can assume most all households have cooking appliances. Lets imagine its 1 in 20 house holds have electric bike batteries.
August 10, 20241 yr Google shows the following rates of fire incidents in the UK in 2022 and 2023: Dwelling fires 27,202 26,974 There were 270 incidents of ebike fires. The number is trivial. Including fires outside the home the numbers are much greater: Again these incidents span 2022 and 2023 Fires 185,437 145,313 there were 270 ebike fires in 2023. I think there are bigger fish to fry - oops. Perhaps don't fry those fish. It could be dangerous and need to be banned or controlled somehow.
August 10, 20241 yr The total number of eBike fires might well have been 270, and cooking fires 10,500. But to compare the actual risks, you need to know how many households have electric bike batteries, we can assume most all households have cooking appliances. Lets imagine its 1 in 20 house holds have electric bike batteries. But the fraction of ebikes in circulation and ebike fires does not convey the relative risk of very ordinary activities which we accept and take entirely for granted. My real risk of being affected by a fire and harmed in any way is far more likely to be affected by other things. If you want to stop fires which harm people and have the greatest impact on people's safety, then cooking is the one to go for, followed by bad electrical installations and smoking. EDIT: Have you seen how many tumble driers and washing machines caught fire in recent years? https://electricalcontractingnews.com/news/faulty-appliances-cause-43-fires-a-week-in-england-research-finds/
August 11, 20241 yr Its a good example and gives eBike owners a practical example of the risks of eBike battery fires. The risk to the owner of a eBike battery of a fire is about the same as a cooking appliance fire. Heaps of regulations on cooking appliances of course. Food for thought.
August 11, 20241 yr This data is useless without knowing how many e-bikes are out there. They show 70% increase while risk of e-bike fires actually can be smaller than year before.
August 11, 20241 yr Our species has existed for about 200,000 years, the vast majority of that totally left to fend for ourselves without nanny state regulations. We have spread from Sub-Saharan Africa to every corner of the world, enduring risks and hazards of every description and high degrees of lethality. We have learned to manage our lives, making and controlling fire and technology, depending on our own large brain and our ability to learn. Outside the family unit and our own clan of relatives, we depended on our own common sense. We have become by far, the most successful creature on the planet. We don't need interfering busybodies forbidding us from owning and using useful things like batteries and e-bikes. I HATE government, because arrogant, useless people fill every corner of it. Almost none of them have ever done anything real in the world. They interfere and pontificate about things they do not understand. People like Miliband, run about like chickens on speed, making decisions which will ruin us. My message to them is this: STAY RIGHT AWAY FROM ME.
August 11, 20241 yr The vast majority of ebike owners won't be getting their old batteries repaired or recelled by a shop, they'll simply buy a cheap new dodgy battery from China - sales of those aren't blocked. Social media battery repair dudes of no obvious address, won't be tracked down visited and interrogated by clipboard.
August 11, 20241 yr There have been a few wins for regulation over the years: seat belts, drink driving rules, asbestos, smoking restrictions, for example. And lessons from notable disasters: Herald of Free Enterprise, Kings Cross Fire, Ladbroke Grove, Grenfell Tower. The shape of the growth curve in the ebike market together with the recorded ebike battery fire stats taken together have been seen as a developing issue, and the risk factors as something that needs nipping in the bud. The use of the same charger connectors for 48V and 36V batteries is a blindingly obvious example of something that must get fixed! Changes seen here may well be related to changes happening overseas. Grin's battery sale is driven by changes in UL requirements...
August 11, 20241 yr There have been a few wins for regulation over the years: seat belts, drink driving rules, asbestos, smoking restrictions, for example. And lessons from notable disasters: Herald of Free Enterprise, Kings Cross Fire, Ladbroke Grove, Grenfell Tower. For sure, and their have been a great many impositions of regulations that have made cycling or just walking a lot safer. Car design has changed a lot, gone (for new cars) are the chrome stick out bumpers of old that seemed intended to ensure as many pedestrians and cyclists as possible were injured. Grenfell Tower is a classic example of where people, companies and organizations were trusted by our politicians to apply 'common sense' to the materials used in buildings.
August 11, 20241 yr 4th September is publication day for Grenfell final report. Over 200 participants in the enquiry have been notified that they are to be criticised. A big reading day.
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