April 28, 201114 yr Do you REALLY need reminding of all the 'law-breakers' down the centuries who laid down their liberty and even lives so that we can now enjoy our 'freedom'? (And of course I'm not comparing chartists with burks jumping red lights, but you appear to want a fight rather than a sensible discussion). Indeed, it's long been accepted in criminological circles that criminals perform a valuable service for the community. Laws, like all of mankind's endeavours, are less than perfect so need testing to expose their flaws. This service is provided by criminals at considerable risk to themselves. Although comparing cyclists with chartists may not be appropriate, the offending cyclists are potentially laying down their lives. .
April 28, 201114 yr For me, this forum needs to adopt a position based on sensible consensus which illustrates that cyclists, particularly the electrically-assisted ones are a responsible body and not a collection of anarchic hooligans on two wheels. Regards, Indalo To be fair, indalo, I think a broad reading of this forum would illustrate exactly that. I don't think we should be so concerned of our reputation, though, that we avoid a mildly grown-up conversation about our attitude to red lights
April 28, 201114 yr To be fair, indalo, I think a broad reading of this forum would illustrate exactly that. I don't think we should be so concerned of our reputation, though, that we avoid a mildly grown-up conversation about our attitude to red lights This is dragging on a bit now but we're not having a "mildly grown-up" discussion at all. There are contributors who believe they can break some laws which most of us have to obey and that is wrong. Important laws have been introduced or modified in recent years because large swathes of the population have supported newspaper campaigns and have eventually got the ear of politicians. I cite "Sarah's Law" as one example and the CRB check improvement as another. My point is that laws can be changed through the democratic process IF THERE IS WIDESPREAD PUBLIC SUPPORT! I'm not sure there would be much support for the contention that cyclists should be allowed to cycle through red lights at their discretion. Allen-uk presumably, by his demeanour, supports the flagrant breaking of laws he doesn't agree with. People taking the law into their own hands are dangerous and those cyclists who consciously choose to ride illegal bikes or run red lights should be roundly condemned by all right-minded people. If those who flout the RTA and Highway Code regulations believe they have justification, they could chat with the people at the News Of The World to see if they can launch a campaign. I shan't hold my breath waiting for that to happen though! Must dash; I have a flight to Copenhagen I'd like to catch. Regards, Indalo
April 28, 201114 yr Must dash; I have a flight to Copenhagen I'd like to catch. Regards, Indalo I can understand someone wanting to avoid the wedding, but this seems a bit extreme! .
April 28, 201114 yr I can understand someone wanting to avoid the wedding, but this seems a bit extreme! . When was I ever moderate flecc? Regards, Indalo
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