Prices of the electricity we use to charge
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The best thing about this, is that since it has an IC engine to burn the hydrogen and generate electric power, you could probably fill it up with methane or LPG and do the environment a favour. The MASSIVE con of these hydrogen powered so-called 'green' concept machines, is that the vast majority of hydrogen available now is really carbon intensive cracked hydrogen, made from methane with all the methane's carbon just dumped out of a smoke stack, but added to by the large amount of extra methane that was burned to generate the large amount of super heated steam that is needed to strip the four hydrogen atoms off the carbon one in methane. Methane is CH4 - four hydrogen atoms bonded to one carbon atom. Why not just burn methane? Vastly cheaper, vastly better for the environment than methane, cracked into hydrogen and co2 with steam.
This stuff is completely mad for another reason. If you need a horse for rough ground, just buy one. There are loads of them about going cheap. One of my mates is often asked to take on a horse some one has bought for his daughter who has now lost interest, and they want to palm it off on someone else. If you can't get one free, like he does quite often, you can buy one for a few hundred quid.
I never thought I would agree with Tony Blair but his recent comments about Net Zero being a pointless disaster are right on the money. His main point is that it is gesture politics while the big emitters are completely committed to carrying on as normal while we price our jobs and industry out of existence with carbon taxes and the most expensive electricity in the developed world.
People won't stand for it. Blair knew how to get elected. He still does know how and net zero isn't it.
For once - Blair is right.
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Let's not get fixated on why hydrogen. It could just have been kerosene, alcohol or cooking oil.
The reality is these robots are likely be developped for their military value.
I think they picked hydrogen because the robot has also a hydrogen fuel cell.
Mining for hydrogen is very similar to mining for CH4.
from wikipedia:
History
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In Adelaide, Australia in the 1930s, oil well drillers reported finding "vast amounts of high-purity hydrogen." At the time it was viewed as a useless byproduct of the oil drilling industry, and no efforts were made to capture it.[10]
In 1987 in the village of Bourakebougou in Mali, Africa, a worker attempted to light his cigarette next to a certain water well, and the well unexpectedly caught fire. A local entrepreneur soon became interested in the possible economic value of this "burning well" and determined that the flames were produced by natural hydrogen seeping out of the well. A local petroleum company was soon hired to harvest and sell the hydrogen, and as of 2024, the villagers of Bourakébougou village continue to pay for their hydrogen. As of 2023 the Malian hydrogen well remains as the world’s first and only economically successful hydrogen well.[10][11]
During the 2020s, interest in natural hydrogen has increased and investments have been made to develop natural hydrogen wells in the US, France and Australia. In France, one petroleum company, Française De l’Énergie, has said that it aims to begin extracting hydrogen by 2027 or 2028.[/QUOTE]
My local beach. The good weather has been with us in the last fortnight but today, the temperature is currently 27.5 Celsius.
Mid afternoon. Near Keswick.
After pub dinner 1900 hrs, on the way home.
Lovely weather.
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So since the 1930's "the world has only ONE economically successful Hydrogen well".
Now count all the oil and gas Wells..
What does that tell us children?
So since the 1930's "the world has only ONE economically successful Hydrogen well".
Now count all the oil and gas Wells..
What does that tell us children?
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That oil and gas are for ordinary people.
Hydrogen is special, so like gold and gems, supply is restricted to keep it exclusive for the elite.
That's why Toyota's only production hydrogen car, the Mirai, is priced so far above all their other cars for the other fuels types
and combinations.
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Now count all the oil and gas Wells..
What does that tell us children?
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That oil and gas are for ordinary people.
Hydrogen is special, so like gold and gems, supply is restricted to keep it exclusive for the elite.
That's why Toyota's only production hydrogen car, the Mirai, is priced so far above all their other cars for the other fuels types
and combinations.
.
Bang!
And they're off..
In the final furlong..
It's a silver horse, a silver horse, and a silver horse with a bit of white on it..
The winner is Woosh-ing past the post.
Congrats
I've seen mech horses before, are they a 250W loophole? Could we have 1 whole 750W "horsepower" ?
Gas is more plentiful and easier to store. More profit. They will mine hydrogen when the legislation stops them sell gas.So since the 1930's "the world has only ONE economically successful Hydrogen well".
Now count all the oil and gas Wells..
What does that tell us children?
In France, there are 9 million families keeping chickens in their garden. Government now forbids them to eat their home produced eggs because of pollution in the cities. The chickens eats worms, the worms eat compost, compost comes from the city's refuse. It is not just eggs, home produced vegetables too. Sometimes you need laws to get people do the right things to stop pollution.
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Sometimes you need laws to stop people living.....
Environmentalism soon morphs into dictatorial misanthropy.
What these people forget is that in a democracy, they will never succeed in their quest to drive people into miserable slavery to the state.
The people won't stand for it. The French political class, might remember that.
That's shocking news of over reaction! The five in our family might never have survived WW2 in good enough health without all the eggs and occasional meat from our regulation maximum of 12 chickens and all of our home grown vegetables and fruit. Plus the fungi, fruit and vegetation we scavenged from the wild.
And we've all lived into extreme old age between 78 and 89 years to date.
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that was before the 3 car family (of 3, each person has his/her own car). A range of chemicals, not just glyphosate because of increased risk of NHL, are forbidden in private gardens for reason of preservation of biodiversity.
From 1/1/2024, we have by law to sort food wastes, chimney ashes and garden wastes before taking them to the tip. Gardening is now the preserve of the middle classes.
All of which ignores the amazing recycling ability of nature, developed over billions of years of evolution, to handle anything and everything thrown at it. Successfully of course, it's why we are still here.
We have the same new refuse sorting laws here, but they often have to be ignored. That is the case where I live, no space for any recycling bin range for sorting, so everything goes into the bag and the one bin and is taken to the power from waste incinerator where only the metal, glass and some plastics are extracted before the furnace.
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Indeed, all we had to put up with back then were large numbers of two stroke vans made by Trojan et al, such as Brook Bond's huge fleet delivering their tea nationally to the vast number of little corner shops before supermarkets were invented.
And the coal fired steam lorries from Sentinel and Foden delivering the barrels of beer to all the pubs throughout the land.
And all our houses heated by coal fires.
Believe me, you don't even know what pollution was like back then, today is squeaky clean in comparison.
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