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Get some help Lenny. There is a worm in your brain. You might yet be cured if you act before it destroys everything.

If you think posters making Farage look like Hitler are the answer to my posting a comment about the local elections, your judgement is abysmal.

Farage is not everyone's cup of tea. He isn't mine either, but on no dimension, is he ANYTHING like Hitler. Not in any way, and your persistence in showing these ridiculous cartoons says a lot about you.

My point stands:

If politicians don't represent the will of the people, insurgent parties will take over.
 
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saneagle

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This is what happens when politicians ignore the views of ordinary people.

Democracy is about ENACTING the will of the majority, NOT lecturing them about how they ought to think.

For far too long politicians have told people how to think and what they should be doing rather than acting on their responsibility to do what people want.

They work for YOU - not the other way around.

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That's no problem for the politicians. When that sort of thing starts to happen, they simply cancel either the elections or their opponents. Look what happened in Romania, Germany, France, Venezuela, Ukraine, Brazil, Tanzania, Uganda, China, Cambodia, and many other countries as well as the council elections here.
 
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That's no problem for the politicians. When that sort of thing starts to happen, they simply cancel either the elections or their opponents. Look what happened in Romania, Germany, France, Venezuela, Ukraine, Brazil, Tanzania, Uganda, China, Cambodia, and many other countries as well as the council elections here.
Yes - all examples of anti- democratic political arrogance. Lots of examples of that going on. The other day i posted about Tony Blair commenting on net zero targets and how the people won't tolerate the cost of it. The usual suspects though are up in arms.

Like Jo Swinson of the illiberal anti-democrats, she would if PM unequivocally return to the EU, whatever the people think. The loss of her seat was perfect. Whatever I think about a party - if we elect them, then I shut up and hope they do well for the people as a whole. I do not and did not support Labour, but I have acknowledged good moves on their part, like a serious plan to build new homes and to curb ridiculous planning rules. I loathe Tony Blair, but acknowledge what he says about Net Zero. I am a democrat. The party and policies that win the vote have the people's support.
 
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lenny

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Get some help Lenny. There is a worm in your brain. You might yet be cured if you act before it destroys everything.

If you think posters making Farage look like Hitler are the answer to my posting a comment about the local elections, your judgement is abysmal.

Farage is not everyon's cup of tea. He isn't mine either, but on no dimension, is he ANYTHING like Hitler. Not in any way, and your persistence in showing these ridiculous cartoons says a lot about you.

My point stands:

If politicians don't represent the will of the people, insurgent parties will take over.
 

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Trump Fires His First Cabinet Member, Gets Protested Across Country & Called a "Man of DEEP FAITH!"
 

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Starmer should be brave and reinstate Corbyn’s membership…
 
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Starmer should be brave and reinstate Corbyn’s membership…
Ha ha ha ha - some people live in a complete fantasy world.

Meanwhile REAL WORLD results show something VERY different.

Corbyn's leadership created a devastating defeat for Labour in 2019. His politics is not where the UK electorate are at all.

You can't ignore what the REAL voters want or look what happens......

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It seems that the cause of the blackout in Spain and Portugal is due to insufficient inertia capacity to stabilise the European network of interconnectors when the cost of MWH went negative due to overproduction of solar and wind. Just before midday last Monday April 28th , it was -1 Euro per MWH.
There are two main network of stabilisators, the mechanical stabilisators are installed at nuclear power stations and hydroelectrics which can be turned on and off by pressing a button.
Normally, France will accept the overflow from Spain in the morning to aroud midday, any amount that France cannot absorb, she will send toward Germany and Denmark. From midday, German solar farms are switched on, the flow reverses toward Spain and Morocco.

Since 2020, a number of nuclear reactors have been shut down, many barrages have been destroyed due to pressure from the ecologists. The inertia capacity has been reduced by about 25GW while solar capacity has trebbled in Spain.
On Monday, Spain produced much more energy than what is seasonally expected, something like 25GW instead of 20GW for end of April.
At around midday, a number of solar farms in the South East of Spain have gone offline then on again. That started a chain reaction when there is no stabilising resource left in the network. When the frequency drops, it slows down the motors at the stabilisators making the situation worse. When the oscillations pass some preset limit, it shuts the stabilisators! The cascade will cut automatically the 400kV interconnectors.
I assume the EU will have a lot to learn from this. It may have to pass legislation to force solar farm to deploy some quota of stabilisators.
 
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It seems that the cause of the blackout in Spain and Portugal is due to insufficient inertia capacity to stabilise the European network of interconnectors when the cost of MWH went negative due to overproduction of solar and wind. Just before midday last Monday April 28th , it was -1 Euro per MWH.
There are two main network of stabilisators, the mechanical stabilisators are installed at nuclear power stations and hydroelectrics which can be turned on and off by pressing a button.
Normally, France will accept the overflow from Spain in the morning to aroud midday, any amount that France cannot absorb, she will send toward Germany and Denmark. From midday, German solar farms are switched on, the flow reverses toward Spain and Morocco.

Since 2020, a number of nuclear reactors have been shut down, many barrages have been destroyed due to pressure from the ecologists. The inertia capacity has been reduced by about 25GW while solar capacity has trebbled in Spain.
On Monday, Spain produced much more energy than what is seasonally expected, something like 25GW instead of 20GW for end of April.
At around midday, a number of solar farms in the South East of Spain have gone offline then on again. That started a chain reaction when there is no stabilising resource left in the network. When the frequency drops, it slows down the motors at the stabilisators making the situation worse. When the oscillations pass some preset limit, it shuts the stabilisators! The cascade will cut automatically the 400kV interconnectors.
I assume the EU will have a lot to learn from this. It may have to pass legislation to force solar farm to deploy some quota of stabilisators.
You mean they need to keep enough Stable Baseload Generators, independent of the Unsustainable Unreliable Non"Renewables"?
Stable like Newkleer, Coal, Gas, Oil, yes definitely!
Show us some "Solar stabilisators", I've never seen them, mm. :)
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The "Presidente" of the Spanish National Electrical system is the former Socialist HOUSING minister.
What does this one know about engineering, Zero! Just another idealogue, on €500,000 a year, haha. :cool:
 

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You mean they need to keep enough Stable Baseload Generators, independent of the Unsustainable Unreliable Non"Renewables"?
Stable like Newkleer, Coal, Gas, Oil, yes definitely!
Show us some "Solar stabilisators", I've never seen them, mm. :)
No, you misunderstood. The reason I mentioned nuclear reactors is because all of them have a big flywheel installed right at the beginning. They are however easily overwhelmed by sunny or windy weather.
The overproduction needs to be stored or wasted to protect the grid. As it was, there was not enough storage for the excess of electricity. The situation was made worse over recent years because of the expansion of renewables. Only hydroelectrics can easily have its function reversed, from producing to storing. Next best thing is storage batteries. The lesson is we need to install rapidly storage batteries or rebuilding barrages.
 
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