To be fair and to get a truer representation of the comparison between fishface and Hitler, you should be judging how Hitler acted in the 30's prior to gaining power.
Hitler targeted the Jews as being the cause of all the ills of Germany. Fishface is targeting Muslim immigration as the cause of all Britain's ills.
Nobody, but nobody can deny fishface and the reform party aren't aligned to far right politics.
Look at trumps policies that have led to mass deportations. Those actually doing the deporting dress as paramilitaries, even though they are effectively only police officers and are acting with brutality towards those being deported, even though in the majority of cases haven't been convicted of a crime.
This is the sign at the entrance to the holocaust museum in New York. Go through them all and tell me which fishface and the reform party aligns themselves to.
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"Distain for Human rights"
Farage is dead against the ECHR, so much so it is their party policy to leave the ECHR
"Obsession with crime and punishment"
Farage is a champion for the reintroduction of the death penalty
"Identifying enemies as a unifying cause"
This has been fishface farage's battle cry since day one.
"Labour power suppressed"
Do you think fishface is pro workers unionism ?
"Fraudulent elections"
Reform party have already had to drop a candidate due to this.
Etc. Am Im more than sure we can link fishface and his ever changing political party to most of the other examples.
Because you are arguing a case here rather than calling names and trotting out tropes, I will respond in kind and point out some disagreements I have with your proposition that Farage is like Hitler and Reform is like the Nazi Party in 1933.
Respectfully - I point out that this is absolute nonsense. To make that case TOTALLY understates the horrific evil nature of Nazism and the people who promoted and carried it out. Hitler was NOTHING like Farage and neither was his party in any way like Reform. To make that case is an insult to the millions of victims of those beasts.
Firstly, even from the very start of the rise of the Nazi Party its methods were extremely violent. We are not talking about a few drunken and yobbish morons - we are talking about organised structures under the command of Hitler's lieutenants who organised and promoted extreme violence against political opponents, homosexuals, communists and Jews. This violence dated back to the period of the Weimar Republic. In June and July of 1932, 105 leftists were murdered in clashes with the Nazis and in the period leading up to the Reichstag elections, hundreds were injured. These clashes were engineered - not the product of yobs getting over-excited.
After January 1933, Hitler handed over control of the streets to a paramilitary force called the SA. These were fanatic thugs in a brown uniform. By 1934, there were 3 million of them under the command of Hermann Goerring. They frequently beat up and tortured opponents with the sanction of the party and its leadership. By 1934, they had imprisoned over 40,000 political opponents. Senior state representatives of opposition parties were arrested and imprisoned and as early as 1933 all political activity in support of other parties was illegal,
THIS IS NOTHING LIKE REFORM. How can you even suggest it - unless you don't know what Nazism was?
By 1938 they were exterminating disabled people of any sort and soon had industrial scale human slaughterhouses to dispose of opponents, despised groups and Jews. They murdered 11 million people in concentration camps and systematically slaughtered 20 million Russian civilians and Ukrainians in the quest for more 'living space' for the German People.
Andy - I dont know how you can even begin to suggest that Farage is like this and the 30% of the people who voted last Thursday are supporters of Nazism.
I am uncomfortable being put in the position of supporting Farage. I do not like him. I think he is arrogant and boorish. BUT - NOTHING he has campaigned for is remotely like Nazism. It is hysterical nonsense to say it is.
The reason Reform has done so well and will continue to do well, is that the other parties have absolutely failed a huge section of the electorate. They have utterly disregarded the concerns and perfectly reasonable desires of a huge section of the ordinary people of this country both north and south of the border. There is NOTHING wrong with people being afraid and angry about massive rates of illegal immigration. There is NOTHING wrong with people being angry at ineffective policing and control of crime. Ordinary people are RIGHT to be outraged at the abuse of the so called 'asylum system' which sees many tens of thousands of people fleeing from FRANCE for fks sake and costing the taxpayer over £6 Bn for hotel accommodation. It is an absolute outrage that we have allowed this to develop and continue. Just try turning up without papers in almost every part of the world and see how you are treated. You will be instantly deported. Claiming asylum from France is a scam and the fact that the ECHR has connived at and refused the deportation of foreign criminals means it is right that we should renounce any connection with it. In this country it is Parliament which is supreme - not the King, not the courts, but the representatives of the people. This is what democracy is Andy. We consent to be governed by the people we elect to govern us NOT by judges on the continent. As one of my son's said to me only two days ago - 'We don't need the Germans to tell us about human rights.' No party in this country is going to do anything of the sort that you have habitually slurred Reform with. You made all that stuff up and attached it to Reform, and I think you have also done the same to the inept Conservative party in the past. They have been destroyed by their failure to act on the people's wishes and demands.
Dis I say that I don't like Farage and I fear that his party will ensure a long period of Labour government? It is not my wish for that to happen. I want a right of centre government of COMPETENT people who actually achieve something for this country and all its people. It is also my view (and that of millions of others) that this will involve a serious curtailment of the numbers of migrants allowed to come here - ESPECIALLY those who lack highly sort after skills and high level intellect. We have quite enough foreign born mini cab drivers and Deliveroo riders, and while we have a massive shortage of housing - an undeniable fact, every inappropriate extra migrant is another housing unit unavailable for our existing population.
On that topic, I will close with one more allied point to the last one: It is now quite noticeable that the population of homeless men in Newcastle has been changing. I and others in my family have noticed that there are numbers of embarrassed looking elderly men living rough these days. When you speak to them, the same tale is evident. They fell on some financial difficulty and lost their rented home. Sometimes they were just booted out in no fault evictions and they did not have the money to compete in the frenzy of struggle and costs attached to getting a new tenancy. I have had conversations with two men in the last few months like this and the same is true of people I know who have also come across this. Meanwhile - people from afar, 'escape' from France in small boats or the back of trucks and get put up for free at our expense in hotels.
If you don;t like Reform - make sure you support a party that doesn't turn this country into a giant rats nest of over crowded poverty stricken horror. We already have 434 people per square kilometre in England. In France the density is 122 people per square kilometre.
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By the way - I completely deny that Reform is allied to 'far right' politics. This is a trope trotted out by the Guardian tendency all the time. Anything from centre right seems to qualify as 'hard right' to certain numbskulls, who fall into lazy, abusive, stereotyping. O am probably older than you and I can remember when a substantial part of Europe was governed by Fascist parties. Greece, Spain, Portugal for starters. They were once again nothing like Reform. Once again, I doubt Refrom will have the competence to do a good job. They are only having success because their opponents are either delusional lefty greenies like the Illiberal anti Democrats or the wet Conservatives as epitomised by Sunac who failed and Dominic Grieve who wanted to turn his back on the explicit vote of the majority of the population of this island to leave the EU.
