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Heatwave to peak this weekend as temperatures soar to 34C

UK heatwave: Climate change has made 32C heat in England 100 times more likely, scientists say
 

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Heatwave to peak this weekend as temperatures soar to 34C

UK heatwave: Climate change has made 32C heat in England 100 times more likely, scientists say
They can't resist it , can they?
Here's June/July 1976, before they moved all the sensors into warmer locations:
 
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Trump fascinates me. How such a person could become the president of the USA not once but twice. Yesterday, Trump praised the president of Liberia who came to visit him at the WH: 'Well, thank you. Where did you learn to speak English so beautifully?' Doesn't he know English is the official language of not just Liberia but also more than 50 other countries or did he say that on purpose?
 

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Trump fascinates me. How such a person could become the president of the USA not once but twice. Yesterday, Trump praised the president of Liberia who came to visit him at the WH: 'Well, thank you. Where did you learn to speak English so beautifully?' Doesn't he know English is the official language of not just Liberia but also more than 50 other countries or did he say that on purpose?
Trump could justifiably say it on purpose, considering how appallingly so many English speakers express their language.

The English are among the worst.
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Trump could justifiably say it on purpose, considering how appallingly so many English speakers express their language.

The English are among the worst.
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I suppose he said that to a) offend foreigners a little as he usually does to show strength and b) gently remind his base he stands with them.
 
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Surprised he`s not calling it American and not English............
Perhaps he doesn't know American English is so often more correct than the English we use in the UK.

For example in using "got" and "gotten" correctly.

In using elevator (correct) rather than lift (incorrect).

In saying Sidewalk (English), not Pavement (French).

Program (original English) rather than programme (French).

And in getting rid of the redundant "u" as Joshua Webster, compiler of the American Dictionary did properly, not the incomplete mess that our Samuel Johnson and the Oxford English Dictionary have left in place.
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correct. Thankfully, the climate has cooled down since then (50 years), so nobody needs to die these days.
I asked chatGPT to compare summer heatwaves between London and Telford.

Here is the response:

London and smaller UK cities like Telford experience heatwaves very differently, even when exposed to the same regional weather systems. Here's a breakdown of key differences in how heatwaves affect them:


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London vs Telford: Heatwave Comparison

Factor London Telford

Urban Heat Island Very strong (up to +5–6 °C at night) Weak to moderate (often only +1–2 °C)
Night-time temperatures Frequently above 20–25 °C (tropical nights) Usually cooler by 3–5 °C, rarely tropical
Peak daytime highs Often 1–3 °C hotter due to built environment Lower max temps due to green space & elevation
Heatwave duration Longer retention of heat, slower cooldown Shorter events, faster cooling after sunset
Air quality impact Worse—pollutants amplify heat stress Better—more vegetation, fewer emissions
Population vulnerability Higher—more elderly in flats, higher density Lower, though risk still exists
Cooling capacity Limited in old buildings, high energy use Newer homes in towns like Telford often better insulated



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️ Real-World Example: July 2022 Heatwave

London (Heathrow): Peaked at 40.2 °C, tropical nights above 24 °C.

Telford (Shropshire): Reached ~37 °C, with night-time lows dropping to around 18–19 °C.


That 3–5 °C difference—especially at night—can dramatically affect human health, especially in poorly ventilated housing.


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️ Why Is London Hotter?

Density of buildings: Tall, close-packed structures absorb and trap heat.

Dark surfaces & concrete: Absorb more solar radiation.

Air stagnation: Less wind, more pollution.

Fewer trees per capita: Less shading and evapotranspiration.


In contrast, Telford, a planned town with more green space, lower building density, and newer infrastructure, stays noticeably cooler.


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☠ Health & Social Impact

In London, the 2022 and 2025 heatwaves resulted in hundreds of excess deaths, especially among elderly and socially isolated populations.

In Telford and towns like it, while health impacts still occurred, mortality rates were lower, partly due to cooler nights and lower air pollution levels.



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Summary

London:

Hotter, longer-lasting, and more dangerous heatwaves.

High vulnerability due to housing, infrastructure, and population density.


Telford:

Cooler and shorter events.

More resilience due to green space and lower urban intensity.
 
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So what you're saying is that it's the increase in housing density that's caused the temperature to go up. This is what I've been saying. The sensors used to be in parks and fields, but now they're surrounded by concrete.

There's something wrong with those graphs because in both areas it was a lot hotter during the whole summer of 1976 than it was this year. Is it because there was only one heatwave that lasted the whole summer, while as this year we get a few warm days, then the temperature goes down and so on? That would explain it. You have to be careful to understand what data is actually showing you. Those graphs don't match my recollections of the weather.
 
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correct. Thankfully, the climate has cooled down since then (50 years), so nobody needs to die these days.
Really ? Wait til you hear about Europe, especially towards the eastern end Greece etc
44,000 die of the heat on average EACH year.

Even somewhere like the middle east has problems with citizens dying from the heat. Iraq for example - they have on average 1000/year, and thats just one country. Add Syria, Iran, Afghanistan etc etc and the numbers fair add up.

One of the factors of heat related deaths here in the UK is humidity, which is why someone from somewhere like Portugal, where the summer temperatures are on average about 30c comes to the UK in our summer and they usually complain its just too hot for them.

The difference is humidity, and how it drastically can affect the body's internal temperature.
The body's natural cooling mechanism, sweating, is less effective when the air is already saturated with moisture, making it harder to evaporate sweat. This can result in heat-related illnesses like heat exhaustion and heatstroke.

Both of which can lead to death.
 
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So what you're saying is that it's the increase in housing density that's caused the temperature to go up. This is what I've been saying. The sensors used to be in parks and fields, but now they're surrounded by concrete.

There's something wrong with those graphs because in both areas it was a lot hotter during the whole summer of 1976 than it was this year. Is it because there was only one heatwave that lasted the whole summer, while as this year we get a few warm days, then the temperature goes down and so on? That would explain it. You have to be careful to understand what data is actually showing you. Those graphs don't match my recollections of the weather.
That graph was made by chatGPT. It's good for illustration purpose but I agree with your last remark, not for accuracy. For that, we would need to discuss the role of CO2, water vapour etc in the lower atmosphere at that would take a lot of typing.