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Trump lost in appeal court yesterday. The court decided that his tariffs were illegal. I guess he already knew that even before he started his presidency but he did it anyway. He's got until mid October to take it to the supreme Court which will confirm the lower courts decision by the end of the year. He probably won't need tariffs that high. By then, congress may vote to keep all tariffs at 10%. He only use them to extract concessions from other countries to get them to invest in the USA, buy american weapons or open thir markets for us products.
 
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Trump polls higher on security this week. Is it because Americans believe what he says on TV that people leave their cars and garage open to allow thieves to take whatever they want?


 

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You need to be cleverer than most of civil servants in order to understand where in their practices you can reform. Cummings's ideas are shortsighted and he is also not clever enough to do this. TBH, I doubt that you'll find anyone ideal for the post. I'd take on a consultant like Rory Stuart for this.


The military is perenially badly managed and financially a bottomless pit. They would do better with less money, concentrating on paying staff better instead of building aircraft carriers or buying expensive american F35s to impress nobody. Half of their money would be better spent on international development aids to reduce worldwide famine and extreme poverty.

It's not their fault if they claim what they are promised. You have to punish those who make promises to buy votes. I would jail them if I could. I would require that all manifestos be fact checked before they can be distributed.


It's just not possible.

The big question is, 'Will Sir Keir fire the civil servants who fail?

The usual habit when a civil servant has become so much of an embarrassment that their abject failure can no longer be ignored, is to promote them sideways. Politicians have been saying this for decades. Some real failures are even moved up the hierarchy or given a gong and early retirement. There is a large canon of writing on this subject for anyone who wants to explore it. Now Starmer's ministers are saying it.

We must re-organise the civil service. I'd even consider making the roles temporary and tied to an incumbent government for the higher power roles - a bit like the American system. The 'Adminstration' moves out when a President leaves office. Why not for the top jobs?

During Covid we saw (under Cummings) a variety of experts brought into the civil service and they were given serious executive power. People such as Kate Bingham who drove the very successful Vaccine Task Force agenda. They left after the job was done.

It is to the considerable detriment of the Civil Service and the country, that it almost exclusively promotes internally to influential roles and that those people are constantly moved from one role to a completely different one every couple of years, as if say Defence needed the same skills and experience as Education, or Health.

It is completely mad, and many politicians have been complaining about the obstructionist nature of the bureaucracy for about a hundred years - but still no massive reform.
 
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We must re-organise the civil service. I'd even consider making the roles temporary and tied to an incumbent government for the higher power roles - a bit like the American system
What American system? They have thousands of political appointees whose job is how to use their civil service for their political agenda instead of serving the community. You would end up with litigation left right and centre.



The big question is, 'Will Sir Keir fire the civil servants who fail?
Most of the times, failure is usually a code word for not aligned to the boss's agenda. It's not like for cause like corruption, abuse of power etc.
They usually get moved elsewhere, like Sue Gray. The system works better than alternatives and avoid complications.

*Sue Gray resigned from the civil service before working for Starmer.
 
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Most of the times, failure is usually a code word for not aligned to the boss's agenda. It's not like for cause like corruption, abuse of power etc.
They usually get moved elsewhere, like Sue Gray. The system works better than alternatives and avoid complications.

*Sue Gray resigned from the civil service before working for Starmer.
They have no business having a different agenda than that of the elected government.

You have no idea at all of what democracy is about.
 

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They have no business having a different agenda than that of the elected government.

You have no idea at all of what democracy is about.
You don't need to think like a civil servant to understand civil servants. They are apolitical in their work. The can only follow legal orders, have to object when given illegal orders, even the military. They serve the crown, not politicians.
Democracy is to serve all the people, not just those who voted for the party in power.
 

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At the stroke of midnight last night, that being the exact time I was born, I'd completed 32,507 days alive, including leap year extra days, so I'm now 89 years old.

But my age today is 90, since today is my 90th first of September, and all of the following 364 days I'm still alive will be my 90th of that date of day and month.

After all, I can't be 89 today since I've already lived my 89th first of September a whole year ago and we can't relive the historic dates of our lives a second time.

Could ask ChatGPT to sort this apparent anomaly, but I think it might then have a nervous breakdown. ;)
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On this special day, may we join together to wish you many happy returns, flecc!
 
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At the stroke of midnight last night, that being the exact time I was born, I'd completed 32,507 days alive, including leap year extra days, so I'm now 89 years old.

But my age today is 90, since today is my 90th first of September, and all of the following 364 days I'm still alive will be my 90th of that date of day and month.

After all, I can't be 89 today since I've already lived my 89th first of September a whole year ago and we can't relive the historic dates of our lives a second time.

Could ask ChatGPT to sort this apparent anomaly, but I think it might then have a nervous breakdown. ;)
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Great perspective, live every day for what it's worth (from a fellow virgo)
 
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Now what does AI say are the odds for 6 candidates from 1 party unaliving 2 weeks before Elekshuns mein herren ? Sus, or what, a bad curry at d partie party? Pull the other one kamerade! :cool:
The "Liberty Beacon" is displaying oddly, dont know why, maybe set not allowing copy & paste?
 

Tony1951

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At the stroke of midnight last night, that being the exact time I was born, I'd completed 32,507 days alive, including leap year extra days, so I'm now 89 years old.

But my age today is 90, since today is my 90th first of September, and all of the following 364 days I'm still alive will be my 90th of that date of day and month.

After all, I can't be 89 today since I've already lived my 89th first of September a whole year ago and we can't relive the historic dates of our lives a second time.

Could ask ChatGPT to sort this apparent anomaly, but I think it might then have a nervous breakdown. ;)
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Congratulations.
 
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Tony1951

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Ha ha ha - this would be funny, if it wasn't the first time she'd sailed close to the wind on this kind of thing. She did it before when she sold her council house I think.

I'll be surprised if she can weather this. She didn't really sail close to the wind here - she broke the law - again.

It really is a mark of how hopeless Starmer is that he dare not get rid of her - which he really ought to do.
 

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"Following the substantial scrutiny surrounding my living arrangements, I wanted to set out the facts as openly and transparently as I can.

"Until now, an undertaking in a court order prevented me from disclosing information about certain aspects of my personal life. In the interests of public transparency, I applied to the court and I was last night released from this undertaking.

"Family life can be complicated, and it is no secret that, like many families across the country, my domestic arrangements reflect these complexities. Throughout my career, I have always tried to be the best mum to my children, while managing the demanding realities of public service.

"There has been a lot of speculation in recent days about my domestic arrangements and in particular the home I share with my ex-husband and my family. While I do not find it easy to publicly discuss personal and sometimes distressing family matters, I have always taken my responsibility as an MP and Deputy Prime Minister seriously and tried to be as open as possible while protecting my family. To address the allegations made against me I have now taken the difficult decision to explain why my arrangements are as they are.

"In 2023 my ex-husband and I divorced. As parents who have been through divorce will understand, the top priority for both of us during that process was the wellbeing of our children and helping them navigate this change. To provide maximum stability during this transition, we agreed to a nesting arrangement where the children remain in the family home full-time while we alternate living there. We also wanted to ensure that our child, who has special educational needs, was provided for as part of the divorce settlement.

"A court-instructed trust was established in 2020 following a deeply personal and distressing incident involving my son as a premature baby. He was left with life-long disabilities, and the trust was established to manage the award on his behalf - a standard practice in circumstances like ours.

"To ensure he continued to have stability in the family home, which had been adapted for his needs, we agreed that our interest in the family home would be transferred to this court-instructed trust of which he is the sole beneficiary.

"Some of the interest in our family home was transferred to the trust in 2023. In January 2025, I sold the remaining interest in the property to my son’s trust. This will give him the security of knowing the home is his, allowing him to continue to live in the home he feels safe in and grew up in. We transferred the property because it was in the best interests of our child. I acted as any parent would.

"The sale of the property in Ashton-under-Lyne to the trust has not altered my family life. It remains my family home, as it has been for over a decade. It contains the majority of my possessions and it is where I am registered for most official and financial purposes ranging from credit cards to the dentist to the electoral roll. But most importantly, it is where my children live and have gone to school and now college, and where I regularly live while caring for them.

"After I sold my stake to the trust, I bought a property in Hove in May 2025 . Like many people, I used the lump sum from selling my stake in my Ashton home, which was the only property I owned and where my savings were, for the deposit on my new one. I obtained a mortgage to finance the rest.

"When purchasing the property my understanding, on advice from lawyers, was that my circumstances meant I was liable for the standard rate of stamp duty.

"However, given the recent allegations in the press I have subsequently sought further advice from a leading tax counsel to review that position and to ensure I am fully compliant with all tax provisions. I have now been advised that although I did not own any other property at the time of the purchase, the application of complex deeming provisions which relate to my son’s trust gives rise to additional stamp duty liabilities. I acknowledge that due to my reliance on advice from lawyers which did not properly take account of these provisions, I did not pay the appropriate stamp duty at the time of the purchase. I am working with expert lawyers and with HMRC to resolve the matter and pay what is due.

"The arrangements I have set out reflect the reality that family life is rarely straightforward, particularly when dealing with disability, divorce, and the complexities of ensuring your children’s long term security. Every decision I have made has been guided by what I believe to be in my children’s best interests.

"I deeply regret the error that has been made. I am committed to resolving this matter fully and providing the transparency that public service demands. It is for that reason I have today referred myself to the Independent Adviser on Ministerial Standards, and will provide him with my fullest cooperation and access to all the information he requires."

I'd give her some time to sort out the mess she is in.
 
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Tony1951

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"Following the substantial scrutiny surrounding my living arrangements, I wanted to set out the facts as openly and transparently as I can.

"Until now, an undertaking in a court order prevented me from disclosing information about certain aspects of my personal life. In the interests of public transparency, I applied to the court and I was last night released from this undertaking.

"Family life can be complicated, and it is no secret that, like many families across the country, my domestic arrangements reflect these complexities. Throughout my career, I have always tried to be the best mum to my children, while managing the demanding realities of public service.

"There has been a lot of speculation in recent days about my domestic arrangements and in particular the home I share with my ex-husband and my family. While I do not find it easy to publicly discuss personal and sometimes distressing family matters, I have always taken my responsibility as an MP and Deputy Prime Minister seriously and tried to be as open as possible while protecting my family. To address the allegations made against me I have now taken the difficult decision to explain why my arrangements are as they are.

"In 2023 my ex-husband and I divorced. As parents who have been through divorce will understand, the top priority for both of us during that process was the wellbeing of our children and helping them navigate this change. To provide maximum stability during this transition, we agreed to a nesting arrangement where the children remain in the family home full-time while we alternate living there. We also wanted to ensure that our child, who has special educational needs, was provided for as part of the divorce settlement.

"A court-instructed trust was established in 2020 following a deeply personal and distressing incident involving my son as a premature baby. He was left with life-long disabilities, and the trust was established to manage the award on his behalf - a standard practice in circumstances like ours.

"To ensure he continued to have stability in the family home, which had been adapted for his needs, we agreed that our interest in the family home would be transferred to this court-instructed trust of which he is the sole beneficiary.

"Some of the interest in our family home was transferred to the trust in 2023. In January 2025, I sold the remaining interest in the property to my son’s trust. This will give him the security of knowing the home is his, allowing him to continue to live in the home he feels safe in and grew up in. We transferred the property because it was in the best interests of our child. I acted as any parent would.

"The sale of the property in Ashton-under-Lyne to the trust has not altered my family life. It remains my family home, as it has been for over a decade. It contains the majority of my possessions and it is where I am registered for most official and financial purposes ranging from credit cards to the dentist to the electoral roll. But most importantly, it is where my children live and have gone to school and now college, and where I regularly live while caring for them.

"After I sold my stake to the trust, I bought a property in Hove in May 2025 . Like many people, I used the lump sum from selling my stake in my Ashton home, which was the only property I owned and where my savings were, for the deposit on my new one. I obtained a mortgage to finance the rest.

"When purchasing the property my understanding, on advice from lawyers, was that my circumstances meant I was liable for the standard rate of stamp duty.

"However, given the recent allegations in the press I have subsequently sought further advice from a leading tax counsel to review that position and to ensure I am fully compliant with all tax provisions. I have now been advised that although I did not own any other property at the time of the purchase, the application of complex deeming provisions which relate to my son’s trust gives rise to additional stamp duty liabilities. I acknowledge that due to my reliance on advice from lawyers which did not properly take account of these provisions, I did not pay the appropriate stamp duty at the time of the purchase. I am working with expert lawyers and with HMRC to resolve the matter and pay what is due.

"The arrangements I have set out reflect the reality that family life is rarely straightforward, particularly when dealing with disability, divorce, and the complexities of ensuring your children’s long term security. Every decision I have made has been guided by what I believe to be in my children’s best interests.

"I deeply regret the error that has been made. I am committed to resolving this matter fully and providing the transparency that public service demands. It is for that reason I have today referred myself to the Independent Adviser on Ministerial Standards, and will provide him with my fullest cooperation and access to all the information he requires."

I'd give her some time to sort out the mess she is in.
I she had been a Conservative, or Reform politician - what would you be saying right now.

Come on - honestly - What would you be saying at this?
 

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I she had been a Conservative, or Reform politician - what would you be saying right now.

Come on - honestly - What would you be saying at this?
Same. I would read their statement then work out how much of that is likely true. I voted more times for the Conservatives and Libdems than Labour.
 
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Never fear she who must not be named is leading a flotilla to somewhere that must not be named.. But it's not about Klimate, how come? Doesn't she care anymore? Or has the fearmongering money gone?
How dare she!? ;-)
 

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Never fear she who must not be named is leading a flotilla to somewhere that must not be named.. But it's not about Klimate, how come? Doesn't she care anymore? Or has the fearmongering money gone?
How dare she!? ;-)
Who are you talking about? Is that young woman who started her political life by skipping school?
There are a lot of things that happen in the world of AI right now and affecting us more than those fighting global warming.
This week, Apple released FastVLM. A model that can see the world and compute in real time with small and low power consumer grade hardware. That robot is coming!
FastVLM combines convolutional image analysis with a local LLM to produce high grade tokenisation of what the robot sees. It's a hundred times more efficient than current methods.
 
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The whole Rayner debacle points to one thing. The tax code is overly complex.
Doesn't matter if it's stamp duty, income tax, inheritance, VAT, N.I., the whole shebang is so full of if's, but's and maybe's that I doubt anyone (even 'experts') can be fully conversant with it.

A few years ago a mate of mine was working as a self employed carpenter - like me- below vat threshold. His wife did his year end books and submitted to the inland revenue. He was contacted by them and told that he would have to redo his books as he was not allowed to claim the vat element of materials, he had bought for clients, against his profit. The I.R. advisor was adamant and it was weeks before his wife managed to escalate the complaint and it got sorted.

For the past two years my accountant has got my 'profit' to be exactly £1 above the income tax threshold. I don't know how he's done that (and I don't ask or understand the figures I'm looking at) but the I.R. have accepted it. I suspect it's something to do with degredation of vehicle, tools and materials bought for workshop construction. If I were doing it myself I think I would be paying tax.
So would that be the I.R. taking advantage of my ignorance? Or is what I'm doing tax avoidance?
 

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Further to this - I've been working and paying tax since I was 16. I've been told that part of this is to pay for the NHS.
In Wales it is impossible to get an NHS dentist, so we have to pay. My wife is in a great deal of pain at the moment, needing a hip replacement. But, with a 3-5 year waiting list, maybe, we are having to pay.
How come these outgoings, that I've supposedly spent my whole working life paying for, are not tax detuctable?
 

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