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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    there's a motto for a "renewed Great Britain" (I'd claim copy right if I were you)
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    about as useful as may's 20% poll lead before the previous election. British politics has become a sight to contrived and manipulated (not that it works). I'm afraid I'm with biowrite and his blog https://biowrite.wordpress.com/2012/05/21/citizen-not-consumer/ adolescent as it is
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    well, by analogy, its also about importing chickens washed in chlorine - what i mean is that having to pay much more for Chinese pedelecs would I imagine equate to reduced quality given that consumers wouldn't want to pay 20 to 30% more for the same product. the word shrinkflation comes to mind...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    why do it (obvious question, I know). If one of your employees came to you and said - I want you to cancel any agreements you have with a (make that your largest) customer - and you said why? and he said look on the bright side, you'll survive without him, in any case a cut in your turnover will...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    my father used to say "if you have to lie stick as close as possible to the truth, then there's less chance of getting caught out". kind of disturbing advice, in retrospect, coming form a role model. fortunately i'm a terrible liar too (not so much for moral reasons, i just get too anxious)...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    tried that(asking brexiteers to explain why, thinking I'm missing something), there's a version of Andersen's fable happening("the bigoted idiot isn't wearing any clothes"), it's just presumptuous xenophobia. the "marginalised" who "didn't benefit from globalisation" had an extremely good life...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    funny you should say that. brexit is one of the biggest lies yet. I've a more jaundiced view of the electorate. not so much sweet, innocent souls being lied to. much more often willing collaborators. as with brexit, they know it is lies, but it sits comfortably with their self serving and...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    But to a point the "company is getting the management it deserves" (and brexiters really deserve Boris, may et Al) My hunch is Corbyn would do much more if he wasn't as acutely aware as the rest of us of the large uninformed racist part of the electorate that has reared its ugly head and is...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    i appreciate that you don't intend to promote the Donald - but its no coincidence that he backs brexit - it is a "renewal" in the same mould as his election - a triumph of populist manure (spun by the rich, like him, to create new business opportunities) over actual institutional democracy.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    yikes, if the Donald has become the authority on which we base what to do next we are in much deeper doggy do than I imagined. to be fair the principle behind brexit (self determination) must mean the union must dissolve. I mean, I don't hear the word Oxfordshire at all enough anymore. it must...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    yes lets gamble the nation (and next few generations)'s future on an unqualified un-researched xenophobic hunch. what could go wrong. why not go further. our long term prospects is most likely better if we launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike against America. we should do it. they'd never see it...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    this brings to mind Orwell's "new speak" of "oceania" as language becomes a tool to normalise the bizarre ideological requirements of a group of fascists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak we do not need to leave the eu (it's like having a poll on whether its worth paying the price of...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    no offence, but this kind of zealous denial is quite distressing. it leaves me feeling uk will need more pain than say japan needed at the end of ww2 to give up its delusions of grandeur. and I don't fancy metaphorically the financial and social equivalent of two nuclear bombs.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    "unfortunate consequences" suggests it's an accidental consequence of brexit, as some sort of neutral event. It's stating the obvious, but there is nothing accidental about brexit, much as there isn't about say trumps plummeting popularity.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    terribly, felony, horribly, orally, money?
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    on the plus side I wonder whether this realisation is, finally, begin to dawn on the electorate, whether voter sentiment is slowly, glacially shifting, one might hope we might reach some kind of tipping point where we can publicly recognise what a crap idea it was before we all abandon ship
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    imagine something like runt or stunt, given his stint as health minister, or front or "treasure hunt" as minister for Murdoch; couldn't have been anything rude..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    in a sense - on the plus side (I hope) we are beginning to see the tories experience their long feared split about Europe and a labour that looks more like a labour party
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    the problem is that Darwinian evolution still operates. being sheep often means getting slaughtered. I'm not advocating a dog eat dog reality, but caveat emptor must apply to all of us to some degree. if we treat the electorate like a bunch of cretins and spoon feed them information (perhaps...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    not really, you started it (does the phrase "you devout remainers aren't making sense" ring a bell?). I'm simply a realist. brexit has comprehensively screwed the UK. You do with respect sound an ex leaver who now not only want to rapidly reverse not only your own shifting self interest, but...