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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You say that as if common sense is a necessary conclusion. One thing critically absent from vote leave from beginning is just that. Now there's a wish that remainders, the EU must somehow save us from our (uninformed, unintelligent) selves by behaving like benign parents and creating something...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    So our ageing relatively less well educated population want a crack at a second adolescence with this small naturally depleted island? No offence, but what I really don't like is the fact that you start by referencing 'us' and our destiny. It sounds awfully like Don't know your age.,but this...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You mean we could become a second Norway? The snag is Norway has oil reserves second to Saudi Arabia, exporting that is key to its success as a small nation. OK, so we could become Sweden - export high quality goods produced by a skilled workforce? Let's remain positive about converting brexit...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That is based on the (huge, and wrong) assumption that the pound devalued once following brexit vote and would stabilise at 1.12euro for ever happily after. Not so, it's already down the next rapids(down to 1.09) and - ad nausea - brexit hasn't happened yet. There's niagara falls when may etc...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    BBC news says Rees mogg is gathering support for a leadership challenge, it's entirely possible for us to lurch even further to the right
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That is very extreme. Voting brexit is odd, but potentially understandable. But what in the unholy world could you possibly see in May? she's physically, spiritually and psychologically an anaphrodisiac, enough to put one off life itself.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    All lie, which is why you should do due diligence, so you can choose your preferred liar (of the moment). No one should ever Base political decisions mainly on what any politician uttered. My preferred liar, for now, is Corbyn (to a point)
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Perhaps and that's complex and gordon browns raid on pension funds has much to answer for(investors piled into property, prices went up). But essentially we've had tories and neo tories since before first Iraq war. That's the problem. Brexit is them finally cementing their position, having...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Also, who does a populist referendum based on lies about 'foregners' hand power too? Not just politically - culturally, psychologically as public discourse become narrower and narrower minded with baboons like Boris or professional liars like gove ever more at the helm. The tories and their...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It's the value of the pound. Once it reaches parity, there's little reason to work here. The NHS used to be a place that offered opportunities for clinical, professional development not available elsewhere. But that's history. Now you're theory of us training up locals would have held if we...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The value of the pound represents the dispassionate odds investors (who really do know how to analyse) put on whether brexit was an intelligent decision. Everything isn't entirely as interchangeable in reality as in say gove or Boris fantasies
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    .. without understanding any of it, it's possible to not see the forest for the trees, much as you failed to do when you voted brexit
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Unfortunately the quality of your deductions rather underscorez the point I was making. Now if only leave voters mental acuity didn't have such a big influence on my future..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    For what it's worth, intelligence in the west is measured with something called a WAIS(wechsler adult intelligence scale), it has ten subtlest measuring performance and verbal iq. Most involve problem solving(other than those that measure working memory like digital span). Coinscidentally the...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Perhaps, however, London has the highest %immigrants in UK and it doesn't feel like a ghetto to me. During brexit a correlation was that areas with lowest levels of immigration were most likely to vote leave. Brexit relied heavily on scaremongering trumping facts, the truth.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That's blatant unfounded uninformed prejudice. Just the unthinking brexit was based on. I know a Syrian surgeon who's wife and child drowned on a med crossing working in an A&E in Malta because it was his first port of call and EU regulation specify one should seek asylum there. We have a dire...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That, I'm afraid, is the kind of manure that made many vote brexit. Largely they seek work. They contribute much more than the natives who - and its no coincidence - often expect houses and benefits for doing fanny all.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    apologies for a rehash of what's been said, but - that - a mechanism for a second referendum - would require a reasonable public discourse about the reality of brexit. I fear this isn't on offer. I don't know what would make this available. its a bit like finding a way to have a conversation...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I know we're in uncharted water and strange things have happened recently, but I am not ready to put down a tenner at any odds on the lib dems being in power any time soon. TM, like Rees Mogg, is an opportunistic heartless nutter that will do any damage to the UK if it provides her with power...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    they have always been. their finding the courage to speak out because the electorate's jingoistic seizure is (thankfully)wearing off a bit.