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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    yes, though (it must be said) the extortion was excruciatingly enjoyable. May, all maybot fake smile, anxiously handwringing, blatantly buying herself a job with taxpayer money, damaging the tories even more, clearly neither stable or strong. I found myself wishing the DUP would up the stakes...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Do they? There is a difference between consent and informed consent. The brexit decision was based on lies. Beyond these on enormous ignorance.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    isn't it a bit rich to blame the eu's banking system after the anglo saxon world sub prime fuelled the financial crisis of 07/08?
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You'd love maputo (capital Mozambique), no red tape at all. Spread a reed mat on a pavement and your good to sell any product. That is until you find out the succulent prawns you've been eating are farmed in the local sewage system, where there are far more toxic matter than human excrement to...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    i disagree, the NHS is the largest employer of immigrants in UK (by very, very far). it's not fuelled by economic growth, it's the care needs of an ageing first world population that certainly know how to offload on the front page of the daily mail if someone didn't come to clean the diapers (as...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I sometimes link with a local NHS team - have done for some years. it is ironic. ten years ago the staff were permanent, predominantly white, perhaps 30% immigrants (Poles, French, even Italian). Now post brexit around 60% are agency staff - non white (Nigerian, south African, Zimbabwean...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Thanks, same here, brexit I think stirs up intense stuff in everyone
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    look on the bright side, the whole brexit debacle has been transforming - for all of us. here you find yourself recognising that Hargreaves was naïve, and whether one likes it or not (and I don't) the world waking up to something of a mini right wing revolution as some aggrieved voters who don't...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    your patriotism is poignant, but unfortunately also misguided and deluded. confounding the decision about eu membership with patriotic fantasies about "who we are" is I think what got us into this mess.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    if you read my previous post you'll note that I in fact offered you an opportunity to climb out of the box leave voters dragged themselves into public consciousness in - by asking you to provide a reasonable justification for brexit - as opposed to the "immigration" (make that closet racism, as...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I think he falls in the "naïve" with delusions of grandeur category http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-peter-hargreaves-lansdown-leave-eu-referendum-share-price-a7108871.html do you have any personal views or do you only quote others?
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    tell you what - you provide a reasonable basis for voting brexit and I will retract my post. with reasonable I mean not based on fake news about immigration or the kind or manure boris spouted. until you do I'm afraid I and the rest of the world will have to conclude that brexit was about...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    i we will become an unexciting Albania, European adolescents will come as adventure tourists to do charity work and research on evolutionary dead-ends
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    look, in a less heated sense I can completely sympathise with your desire for a Europe with varied cultural contexts. I like it that way too. but an integrated Europe does not threaten that, it enhances it. a healthy family is one I which differences are not only tolerated, but allowed...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    there are plenty of people with an interest in necrophilia. it doesn't mean we make it a key part of the national curriculum. it's the 21st century, most civilised life forms take a greater interests in values and principles than arbitrary geographic boundaries. you are I think saying you suffer...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    another brexit platitude - care to explain what you mean with "taking back control"? the eu is about the benefits of collective, shared values, interests over narrow nationalist, racist self interest. apologies for stating the obvious, but that's why it was created, it could do the same for the...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    what ARE you smoking? the bigoted morons who voted brexit would never accept a reduced fee/participate in single market deal. even if they did the EU wouldn't. what you describe is essentially us begging the EU for scraps. that may be a negotiating strategy, but definitely not a good one.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    we have made a decision (brexit) that is essentially about closet racism and grandiose delusions. in the long run it is financially and socially catastrophic (it cuts us off rom a life blood of new skill, talent and trade relations). America can get rid of their trump (and insane, racist trump...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Big money may be corrupt, but it's not quite depraved (in the way of, say, a brexit voter). Take a cleptocracy like south africa, it is owned by big money (Zupta brothers), but big money, in an I situational sense, is fleeing and the rand collapsing. Big money likes a degree of civilised...