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Different times different norms. Children worked from a young age back then. To judge the past by today's standards is not a wise thing to do. Just wait for 100yrs into the future and all the terrible things we are judged to do now.....

Yes I've seen it defined and used in that way before.

You're being picky. Tommy's version of SS is not uncommonly used.

You lecturing people on spelling! Ha.

Oh yeah - VAT - there's another thing you can't control if you're in the EU.

Well - free movement. No thanks. Justice - the ECJ version - no thanks. I could go on. Thanks for everything - but we'd like to do things our way from now on.

I knew what I was voting for. Out of the single market and customs union - out from under the ECJ and no more free movement we get to say who can come live here. Was pretty clear to me.

Hmmm. I was thinking more like setting tax rates - or having to listen to the ECJ - big things. Being able to set your own budget - you know like Italy right now is going to be fined for setting spending plans outside EU rules (even though France does the same thing). Like with Ireland's...

You make it sound like the whole thing is 'optional'. So what are the 'not-optional' aspects?

OK. I get it.

They're kind of like Civil servants that we have here - except they are the only ones within the EU who can actually propose laws. The EU MPs can not propose laws - only the EU commissioners can do that. So not really like our civil servants....

More facts - I thought for a moment maybe the EU commissioners were elected by the EU MPs. But no. "The European Parliament must approve the Commission as a whole but does not vote on individual commissioners." Really not elected.

Danny - before you start back maybe you should educate yourself: Here: https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-brussels-bureaucrats/?gclid=CjwKCAiA7vTiBRAqEiwA4NTO67VEYvL6sE0tDJeUkKvN2KwWkt9Vh4BbUnup_s5681YpF921SO0CjRoC650QAvD_BwE Or here...

Er. No. All I said was that the EU commissioners are not elected (by Jo Public) - to their specific roles or into the EU at all. Which is correct. Er. No. I correctly stated that they are not elected. They are nominated from their own governments. OG pointed out that they tend to be...

Yeah well I was elected head cub-scout so I guess I count too.

By the tone be probably did write it.

We know all the so-called powers she has OG. Nobody is disputing that. But we all know that in reality she can do **** all of any significance without parliament's say-so.

James O'Brian makes you sounds optimistic and reasonable OG.

1760 to 1840 was pretty good. This country almost single handedly dragged the world into a whole new economic paradigm. The industrial revolution. What an amazing event. And started right here. Rule Britannia!

She can hand out 'commissions' till OG thinks Boris Johnson is an astute political leader but here on planet earth it will still mean absolutely Jack Sihte.