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Why do we need to 'balance the books (a misleading term in this instance)? You've got Trumps disease. There is nothing wrong with a negative balance of payments. I have one - for example - with my local shop. I am forever buying things from them and they never buy anything from me. SO...

Plus Danny - I think the EU changed the rules and said we can extend it anytime we want. Some rulling maybe 3-4 weeks ago. I think somebody posted about it. I could be wrong but I don't think so.

We better watch out for that. It happened with me and OG once and we've never quite managed to get back to the same level of vindictive name calling we once enjoyed.

We are still in so many ways a very primitive species. It's terrible how we let people suffer at the end of their lives. We treat dogs better than humans. If a dog is that sick we put it to sleep. Humans no - we force them to suffer. Terrible. Just so terrible.

HA! Poverty as re-defined by all the bleeding hearts - meaning having an income of 60% of the median wage. WHICH IS LIKE ALL OF US HAD BACK IN THE 60s. ie - according to the Guardian and their idiot readers EVERYBODY in the 60s grew up in 'poverty'. B********s. Just total complete b******s.

Scary stuff:

When Remain campaigners warned that there would be a recession, they didn't add "in Italy". When they warned that there would be street violence, they didn't add "in France". When they warned that populist parties would surge, they didn't add "across the EU, but not in Britain".

Selfish attitude. Millions of Chinese are fantastically better off now.

Good point!!

This was his tweet about it: As you can see - things have been getting WAY better for millions of people. Sorry OG.

Bill Gates quoted this the other day:

Absolute poverty (defined I believe as less than $1.90 a day adjusted for inflation) has dropped to just below 10% worldwide compared to I think a little over 30% in the 80s. Those are the facts.

Yeah. I was never convinced you were going to like that. Oh well. Human progress is hard to believe. But the facts speak for themselves. Facts you're not interested in though. Shame.

Interesting stuff from Douglas Carswell just now (OG will probably agree with every word - well right up till the very last sentence which I very much doubt he will like): "A generation ago, as various nationalised industries were privatised, it quickly became apparent that they had been badly...

Oh yes. I was going to come back to this one to challenge your usual 'woe is me and the world is terrible' take on life. The notion that child labour in either theory or practice was a result of the Industrial Revolution is diametrically opposed to reality. Under mercantilism it was ideal to...

It's not that hard to make a case either way. The longer I am following this thread the more I see that.

Maybe this is the key difference between leavers and remainers. Leavers see the EU as a prison - and remainers don't. Maybe it's that simple.

This thread - thanks must go to Flecc for starting it all those years ago - for all its faults - I think is actually an excellent advert for free speech. By just allowing us to say exactly what we want (apart from its refusal to print our swear words) - we battle it out and sometimes end up...

Yup. It had to happen sometime eh? Your boys made up for last weekend huh? Happy days.

We're so close now....... :-)