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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No, actually all we need is a real Labour party, one that does not expell its most gifted members for pointing out the errors they are making.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Its galling when situation is constructed by left, unless ofcourse media, Murdock and co put Corbyn and McCluskey in power. The left taking over Labour party has been a godsend for Tories. There is a story that during WW2 Americans planned to assasinate Hitler. Churchill stopped it. He wanted...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    But our democracy needs a credible electable opposition to function. A one party democracy is an anochronism. Its like Ford selling model Ts. Available in every colour, as long as its black. Thats why I, ve had my pants in a twist about Labour for past months.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/banishing-loyalists-like-campbell-puts-labour-on-the-path-to-disaster-a4153986.html Old news but the writing was on the wall for Labour. The salient point, written in May.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yep, we, ll all moan in unison. That will frighten them. They can say or do anything for at least 5 years. They could bring back Conscription, Capital punishment and the Birch. We could protest and riot but not much else. You could always write to your Labour mp to bring it up for you. Probably...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Great news for us all today. We are saved, Swinson is staying in politics. And Libdems should now be a real force to be reckoned with, their new leader is highly experienced,a full 4 days as an mp.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I cant agree with this post because I do think UK will floursish outside EU, but I understand your sentiments and think its your best ever post. I also see that my beliefs (ie UK flourishing out side EU) are actually in the minority, so we must ask ourselves why are we leaving when the majority...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I do hope you are right but assuming you are simply puts us back to a pre election situation whilst there is no credible second party. The last 18 months will just be repeated. Had we had a credible, capable second party over last 3 years they would now be in power.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Thats where we differ. I think you are an idealist. Think I, m more a realist. I, d be perfectly happy with Blair or any Centrist mp in charge of Labour if they getbin power. Not for a moment am I saying there is no place for Unite, McCluskey and Corbyn. They should be part of a wider Labour...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No problem. No apology needed. Its only banter. I, ve said worse. But thanks all same.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    OG, Tories are in power with an 80 majority. They are more united than in 50 years.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Would be easier if you answered the question. The one about Boris reducing care for elderly? Which manifesto pledge has been broken already? Evidence? (Scrapping license fees certainly wasnt a pledge, well I didnt see it)
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You have mentioned license fees and care for elderly. Would have been far easier to answer the reasonable question reasonably rather than have your rant.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No they have not. He is proposing decriminalising non payment, which is more or less same. Agreed re not mentioning Tories expelling MPs but A) I voted for Corbyn. B) Tories won, labour needed votes Campbell and Champion took with them. C) Tory party isnt split like labour. D) Is Tory poor...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Which pledge and where is it reported dropped. Are you talking about license fees or care for elderly. It was a serious question OG. The conservative manifesto wasnt as good as Coebyn's this time. It was very vague.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Probably yes. The current labour promote equal opportunities, diversity and every PC policy available but then expel/sack members for holding different opinions. Its especially damaging when those very folk sacked/expelled are representing thousands of people's opinions. When Campbell voted...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Scrapping BBC license fee today. He, s banned his MPs from Channel 4. Obviously thinks BBC is biased towards Labour. Cant imagine why. I stopped watching HIGNFY but WTF should I pay fee so so called comics spout their garbage. Think he, s correct on this one.??? Can you expand on your "he's...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Divide and conquer though Woosh. Why cant both be "united"..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://mol.im/a/7792791 Music to the Tory ears. Labour in disarray and infighting, again. The writing is on the wall but Labour controllers insist on same approach. Labour spout about being a broad Church but are anything but. Deluded.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Campbell resigned in 2003.(Over Kelly affair) He was expelled from being even a member of Labour Party.(for voting Libdem, which should have bern a wake up call, but no they sack him) He has had zero influence over their policies in over a decade. He, s been a commentator, but no more. With his...