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I had double chain ring fitted to my bike..but principal same for standard one so its irrelevant. Even if your two speed hub is at its max torque at 3 to 5 mph it still has less torque than cd at wheel at those speeds even of a standard cd ( mtb) To achieve similar torque AT WHEEL the hub has to...

Which one ??? Strava is a word we seemed to hear a great deal in Easter Europe, thought it meant raw food but as it means food its hardly surprising !!!

Tha Probably why we ate a few strange things touring Europe a few years back...

Strava is Polish ( might be Slovakian cant remember where we were) for raw food.

No No we had roast potatoes and tuna mayo..asked for Strava..he said " feck off".. On reflection quite an incisive comment when asking about "Strava Segments!"

It It was Eddie..Neither of us could agree on the others venue or endurance/ race distance..but OT. Besides it would prove nothing. Blatantly neither of us are unhappy with with our bikes...Eddie couldn't find his boxing gloves.. Flecc Thanks for reply. Seems you are somewhat more capable of...

What I find absolutely astonishing is that I come on here in good faith,in that I,m neither promoting or selling anything, insult no one,put nobody down , accept and post that yes hub drives have their place and obviously suit many happy riders but offer practical help to OP ( loan of my bike)...

So calling me ignorant etc etc is ok then ???

Just to be clear I,m not suggesting one system I intrinsically better than other. I suspect they suit riders of different abilities. A new customer should have facility to try both after being unhappy with one. I,m pretty sure my dealer would sort something rather than saying get fit to customer.

Thr The objective data was OP didn't manage to climb his last hill. I,m suggesting he try a CD mtb. You are telling him to get fitter. Which would you rather do ? Read some cut and pasted graphs to prove he,s unfit, too old, knackered.??? That's really helpful for him... If I were him I,d...

But Flecc isn't that equally unfair on the customer. Yes ,I agree there is always one ( dv8nt on here sigh) The immediate reaction on here was get fitter,its torque sensor, hill was too steep.. We,ve actually had amp bikes on here posting a review from a lady saying how great bike is. His advert...

I,ll shut up then. No insult meant. Think a few posters should look to themselves . Been told " talking crap" " shut up" " making a fool of myself" one even threw down gaunlet in his defence of hubs.( We can now add arrogant and ignorant) Throughout I have neither insulted, been patronising...

Flecc I think its you not understanding my points, but fine. Its not an argument. Just expressing my findings and thoughts. I do think some read forum , go out and having done so buy wrong bike. OP perhaps.

Seems to me reading threads, examing my own experiences on ebikes that if a rider is capable of getting hub drive upto a fair pace, where motor is operating at its optimum and bike / rider combo are attacking hill then yes hub drive is fine...but the assumption by those with ability to attack...

Yep I,m learning from masters like you on here..

No I,m saying I,m climbing with less current than hub drive on steep hills..you inferred rest...as usual.

You know exactly what was meant...dont pretend to be thick...but then again ???

Think you mean Bath....which has only slightly bigger hills than bath..

Ofcourse Hub drives suit some people, GTech single speed town bike will suit many absolutely fine but its plain wrong to claim a hub motor of equal power ( ie 250w) can compete on 2 issues A) Long sustained climbing B) Suiting a broad spectrum of people. Assuming a hub drive is a good climber...

Fair enough... But ( I always have a but) it does seem sort of putting cart before horse when a rider buys an ebike and is told to get best from it he needs to be fitter..many folk simply cant, or dont want to, get fitter. We saying they shouldn't tackle long rides with steep climbs ?? Wife has...