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  1. tillson

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    TREX, you focus on whatever is perceived to be the current and fashionable bad news story for BREXIT. Before the votes were even cast, you quoted just about every poll going to illustrate that BREXIT was a lost cause and would be defeated. Following the announcement of the result, we had...
  2. tillson

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    ... and its entirely due to the BREXIT vote last week. Up until that point, the hole was actually getting bigger.
  3. tillson

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Wrong! One element, of many, was about controlling immigration, not ending it. I know you want to portray BREXIT as being anti Johnny Foreigner and having a send 'em all back predilection, that much is evident from the tone of your posts. However that is a dishonest and misleading accusation...
  4. tillson

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Only 10 more pages before this thread take on more significance than the one concerning Electronic Cigarettes.
  5. tillson

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    They won't just move an entire car plant. They have hundreds of millions tied up in them, plus the cost of retraining a workforce, building a new factory and potentially a loss of sales. That course of action will cost thousands of EU jobs as well as hundreds of millions of Euros, for what...
  6. tillson

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No, Pugwash.
  7. tillson

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    What you say works both ways. It's of mutual benefit for the EU and UK to trade with each other. Tariffs apply in both directions, so not in anyone's interest.
  8. tillson

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I feel like a concierge on a magnificent ocean liner. Forging ahead, parting the seas with its great bow as it advances to an ever greater destiny. Soon the EU will be washed away by the devastating wake of HMS BREXIT and we will be joined by a flotilla of other countries setting out on the...
  9. tillson

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I think the PM job will be fought between Gove & Leadsom. May: She backed Remain all the way and is associated with the warnings of over the economy. How can she now have had a change of mind in 7 days after months of being a remain supporter? Crab: The fact he used to have luke warm gravel...
  10. tillson

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I agree, but when it went down the day after the referendum, the news liberally splashed around in a negative sense.
  11. tillson

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It is these subtle links which create a false impression.
  12. tillson

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I don't think he has the power to prevent it and I am hearing that Poland are keen on just that. He is also trying to dictate the time scale for triggering the official notification to withdraw from the EU. Again, no power to do that. This is a clear demonstration of how the EU sincerely...
  13. tillson

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I wish you would stop this. Things are not accepted as fact because it is not possible to prove the contrary. We have been down this road before. You seem to think it acceptable to link BREXIT supporters to racists, without any evidence or proof, because the BREXIT supporters can't prove...
  14. tillson

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I asked you to point me to the aspect of the BREXIT campaign which promised a ban on immigration. You can't. I asked you for a statement from Rolls Royce confirming that it is running down its UK operation. You can't provide one. You can't provide a tangible link between racist act carried out...
  15. tillson

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    An assembly plant with an element of manufacture. I never said that Rolls Royce DO NOT manufacture in other countries, I said it wasn't as easy as switching production of other products. I know Rolls Royce have had a factory in China during the 1970s and 1980s producing the Spey engine. That...
  16. tillson

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I think that 99.9 % of BREXIT voters never expected wanted or hoped for a complete ban on immigration. Point me to the aspect of the BREXIT campaign which promised this. The immigration part of the BREXIT campaign was all about the control of immigration. That might see immigration levels rise...
  17. tillson

    If you voted IN then here's a second chance for common sense

    And of course you would be saying this if the vote was to remain. I'm interested to know your view on the following. Given that the referendum was a manifesto pledge, the "spirit" of the vote was that the result would be acted upon. There has never been any suggestion of ignoring it until the...
  18. tillson

    If you voted IN then here's a second chance for common sense

    Still 13 million short. If you can't dismiss 48%, how many are you prepared to dismiss? 47%? 46%? 45%? What's your cut off figure? What if we have another referendum and this time its 49% leave and 51% stay? Would that result suddenly become democratic enough to suit you? Please, give us the...
  19. tillson

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I don't really think you are a sad little old man. You are just giving your opinion.
  20. tillson

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Why are factories going to close? Which factories do you have in mind?