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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    How convenient is it to ignore that while 17.4 voted one way just a million less voted the other way..that is the only fact in your long posting. It could never then be a black and white choice,it needed to be shades of grey After the result was posted,the winners did not know what they had...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Fully agree with you, that SF have not pulled their weight in this debate,and their posturing is teadious in the extreme Both themselves and the DUP are trading on half-truths. In the case if SF their claim is that their constituents voted for them so they would not represent them in...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    ...the consequence is that while they may be getting better governance,that only 50% (at best) of the opinion of NI is being heard. I need to reiterate again and again, the NI assembly has not met since before the elections, and therefore has no executive, no ministers and has no say. Now the...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    My understanding of the context in which he raised it is that this Tory MP was of like mind, and would not have been able to correct his constituent
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Fingers ,I think you cracked it... . Other countries,including Ireland send their able representatives , while they are still active and committed to these senior EU posts, . If the UK reserves these for broken down hacks on a pension trail... Well reap the whirlwind. On a related matter, the...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    My reading of it is that 30% of the HoC support it as being proportionate, 30% would reject it because it is not hard Brexit and 30% because it is too hard Brexit.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I would not take it as a done deal that the EU council will give any extension. Both France and the Czech Republic have indicated reservations. Just as anyone in the UK can get access to EU debates, the reverse is true, and there is no indication that 12 weeks will accomplish anything. EU...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Right ,the facts of the tiff between OG ,Fingers ,Zlathan. The BBC is currently broadcasting it.... The entire debate of 13th. March shown in sequence has Guy V. Making assertions about Nigel F. These assertions were robust and suggested that he had an interest in disrupting the EU and an...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    This is proportional representation!. A very good way of doing business.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Using the word lying is a bit strong when someone is engaging in a live verbal debate. In his contribution, Farage had just insulted that MP ,so maybe his comment was confused.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    My autocorrect will probably continue to misspell your name,so apologies for now and indefinitely into the future.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Tommie, Governments have no money,they take money from others and give to others. So if they gave money away,they took or borrowed money in order to do so.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No. Zathlan the EU have forced the UK into NOTHING. Keep the responsibility where it belongs... . My figures of the distribution of votes in HoC is broadly correct( see earlier post of today). I have heard nothing today in the last few hours of the debate which would convince the EU that...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I have been listening to a Ian Blackford of SNP give a logically consistent dressing down to both the English political parties
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I have no fundamental disagreement with you ,except that there is no alternative except both having democracy and robust legal sanctions and an independent judiciary and CONSTANT vigilance
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Could result in a black eye. Popeye is very jealous.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The irony is delicious,if you like that kind of thing. The fundamental concern of the Brexiteers was having control.and people outside the UK not telling them what to do. ..And that is what they had and have until 29th march. Now they have ceded all control for a new revised deal to the whim...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    650 alternatives?. Perhaps if you had multiseat constituencies, and proportional representation, you would get a better balance and proportional HoC. Having a first passed the post system amplifies minor differences , whereas having say 150 ,4 or 5 seat ,the majority of the electorate get...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    But you and the 60million others cannot walk away from democracy. The choices are mob rule or elected representatives.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Public enthusiasm,and moral victories are fine,but they don't butter parsnips. A decision on the impossible conundrum ,as flec says is necessary, otherwise 60%to 70% of the HoC will not get their wishes.