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Oh dear....... Hatti you don't need to be a genius, simply LOOK at the bikes! :rolleyes: If you really don't understand why Andy asked the question there is no hope. Most people on the forum know what you guys are doing and why you are doing it. I do understand that it's expensive and...

Hi Caph, we have moved to from China to Germany now, in pursuit of excellence! :) That is not to say we would never consider China again. A new generation of young Chinese business people are emerging full of great ideas and without the greed and moral famine that is apparent in the older...

Hi Dave, it was all a part of Grace's exploration of the Chinese market. They sent a bike out to Shanghai to be on an exhibition stand. An urban transport magazine became involved and took some images... Have a look at Downtown | Let's save the world aesthetically All the best David

Thank God beauty is in the eye of the beholder Lynda.......... or I certainly would still be single! :o Re DaaHub, it is safest to say it will not be released in the UK or Europe, however if that changes the good folk of the forum would be the first to know! All the best David

Great to hear Andy, sounds like you got a bargain! All the best and good luck on the bike! David

Love to see the jumper Lynda!! :)

It is interesting Eddie!

I have always loved the phrase Dave and try and live my business life by following it. Hence the constant changes and improvements over the last seven years. There are several great mousetraps available now, and we strive to stay at least in line with them! All the best David

You are probably right Rob, but it would be fun to look into it and there are many distinct attempts at passing off, most are rather feeble though. Is it a coincidence that the copy bike black? I think they may have a problem turning the tables, we sold our first Wisper 905e about seven...

I can confirm Andy that the 2012 Wisper se bike is completely different to the 2008 model. I do not think one part is the same, but I would need to check. We really have come on a long way in the last four or five years and are just about to make another round of improvements. For instance...

Thanks Morfix I think we will make enquiries, as you say this is blatant and calculated to confuse the unwary, it is undoubtedly passing off as our freind in Hackney has pointed out. All the best David

One very, very last point..... Today Sussex Police ordered another five Wispers to add to their fleet of twenty Wisper 905se's. These bikes are used every single day by big burly coppers who travel up to fifty miles on them. They have used them for six months now and apart from the odd...

Hi Dave you have a point it would be impossible, did you see the Chinese BMW X5 on Top Gear? The Chinese Government concluded it was not a copy! Mind you I should say that I do not think the Chinese are a corrupt a nation! :rolleyes: I especially like the bit when they simulated the Chinese...

Sorry one more thing....... Our frames for instance are STILL being made in China as are many other parts of our bikes. Chinese factories when properly managed can be as good as anywhere else in the world, unfortunately though many are not well run and the 48 hours it takes me to get from...

Thanks Morfix, unless the frames are practically identical we would not win the case. I understand the thinking behind the way some Chinese companies are trying to cash in on our success. (I must point out that not all Chinese electric bike companies are the same and most would never stoop so...

The guy who has had a DaaHub for over a year, loves it and still feels it has made his converted bike the best electric bike available. And this is a guy that knows electric bikes and is not worried about spending a few quid in pursuit of excellence. Yep that's what I call style! :) One day...

Nicholai is a very famous bike designer specializing in superb mountain bike frames, a really first rate engineer. He was involved with all three of the Grace bikes and the Daimler Mercedes Smart. He doesn't copy stuff he actually designs it himself, very German! NICOLAI Maschinenbau GmbH...

Yawn......... :rolleyes: Many upmarket European products are now being sold in China, (BMW, Ferrari, Bentley, Audi etc) including VERY high end bikes, maybe no one has noticed? It is most of these brand's biggest and most lucrative market place. Consider, China is the biggest buyer of...

Thanks d8veh! I wasn't going to comment as the differences are so numerous, it would mean listing every component down to the spokes and detailing the differences!! Although I could use such an excersise to sell Wisper I simply don't have the time at the moment. I wonder what people will...

Hi Rami Thanks for your kind comments! The smaller batteries are fine on pure pedelec bikes where there is no throttle facility. The Wisper bikes sold in the UK are equiped with a full throttle to 15.5mph. It is my considered opinion that you cannot run a decent throttle controlled...