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  1. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It isn't really out of step with makers' figures for first half dose protection though: Pfizer = 52% Astra-Zeneca = up to 62% It all adds up to the advisability of getting the second dose at the right time to get the 90%+ protection, not waiting 3 to 3.5 months for it. An awful lot of...
  2. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Indeed, but this extract is worrying though: "Last week’s health ministry figures may provide further concern for the UK policy. It showed that 42% of Israel’s 834 critically ill patients had already received one shot of the Pfizer vaccine. That figure dropped to 2% after the second jab."...
  3. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Utter nonsense. The politicians did speak of Herd Immunity as a goal and PV had the opportunity to say it was undesirable but kept his mouth shut on that as a good government lackey should. And once again you are being dishonest. When posting on the Swedish approach and always elswhere, I...
  4. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    But you aren't discussing, you are just closing your mind as usual to any balance of views on the facts: Fact 1: Some of the government scientists actually backed the herd immunity idea when supporting the government. That is what justifies me calling them lackeys. And I'm not alone, Woosh...
  5. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Not so. The governments scientific lackeys who do as they are told by their paymaster have said that. The manufacturers of the best vaccines on safety grounds have disagreed and refuse to support that. I also disagree personally on very sound statistical grounds which the lackeys are...
  6. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yes, it will be a timing option in my region, and many others. That's because we've been all Pfizer here so large numbers given the Pfizer first dose, so the Pfizer will return to use here for periods for their second doses. Timing my first jab request online to co-incide, on the website I've...
  7. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    If it was the other way round, Ursula Von Der Leyen would be our Prime Minister and Boris would be President of the European Commission. :p I wish ! .
  8. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I don't drink any alcohol so no post vaccine risk to me there ! Only through yet another blasted App, not on that website. .
  9. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    What makes you think that is worth anything? Firstly it's only partial, but only continuing subject to getting a second jab within 28 days, but that isn't going to happen. I've been told it will be 12 weeks, almost four times that and that isn't on the basis of any evidence whatsover. Indeed...
  10. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    To a considerable extent that is what has happened, worldwide. Vaccines of this sort typically take around ten years to develop for total safety. These have been rushed out within a year with incomplete testings and now being risked as judged to be the lesser of two evils. But it's a big...
  11. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That is untrue as I now know with what I'm suffering after the first AZ jab. I was allowed to leave immediately on condition that I was not driving. The reason for that soon became clear as I found it increasingly difficult to focus my mind. With my jab at 9.20am, as that Friday wore on I...
  12. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Muslims say animals can be used, but there cannot be any animal component in the vaccine. It's the animal rights brigade who won't allow any animal use. .
  13. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No worries on that front, given the drug companies greed. They'll go for the minimum 2.3 billion doses the EU represents, with the follow up of the EU member's largesse for poorer countries. That's why the USA you mentioned as doing well, nothing to do with Trump, just size. .
  14. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    As I said, your fault. .
  15. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It's all they have in their toolbox thanks to those with anti EU feelings. .
  16. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You are doing it again, will you never learn? The EU isn't a country so won't be vaccinating anyone, so how could it compete with any country? At the moment it is a only a co-ordinating organisation for its member countries, but has ambitions to one day be a single federal country of Europe...
  17. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It's the EU that has taken the lead, they said at the outset that they intend to work towards the vaccines being available everywhere in the world. .
  18. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The only things I know similar to this is that the EU, having secured guarantees on 2.3 billion doses, is leaving it to member states to decide on their own priority groups to establish the order of people getting the vaccines intheir country. Should all vaccines candidates turn out to be safe...
  19. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It certainly is, £4106 for every man woman and child in the UK. Or put another way, £11,061 for every full time worker. Ouch ! .
  20. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    They said 12 weeks at the centre. The official leaflet they gave me says 3 to 12 weeks. 12 weeks will be awkward around here since both the Pfizer and AZ 12/14 weeks second jabs will be overlapping in April which is when the next Pfizer consignment arrives. It means they'll be handling the...