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  1. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Why don't you accept the reality, this could never happen. The Four Freedoms are the pillars on which the EU stands, a fundamental of the original Treaty of Rome. They will never change and both you and all others in the UK have to try to understand that. Unless and until that understanding...
  2. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Either that or the EU will operate a hard border. .
  3. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Come on, of course that isn't sufficient for such a fundamental, only dependant on whether we need skills. We have to sign up to unconditional freedom of movement, and as I've just pointed out, the referendum outcome makes that impossible. We are in a trap of our own making. .
  4. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It can only happen the day we drop our demand to control free movement. I'm sure you know as well as I do that after the referendum result it's impossible to drop that insistence, the Leavers won't stand for it. Therefore what you say is possible simply isn't. .
  5. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Not with the UK's intransigence on the four freedoms. The problem is and always has been entirely caused by us. .
  6. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I'm afraid this is at the core of the problem, the lack of recognition of the EU's Four Pillars, the fundamental Four Freedoms. At the heart of the EU sit four key principles: the free movement of goods, services, capital and persons. Persons have to be included because they are at the core...
  7. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    As I've said, it takes years first before that can happen and requires our co-operation which we are not giving. The Swiss case is entirely different in that they worked co-operatively at every stage in the treaty and in the 120 trade agreements. They have agreed to totally unrestricted...
  8. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Terrorism was an issue for many years due to ETA so their movements would have been a possible issue years ago. No longer now of course with the ETA threat removed. .
  9. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    As AK points out, the EU and the Swiss have a treaty, and in addition to that, 120 trade agreements with the EU negotiated over a 7 year period. We haven't even started the trade talks yet. These are why the Swiss border is relaxed, the only realistic barrier is that the Swiss can't supply...
  10. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Too early for counting chickens I think. May's deal includes some ECJ control and the great repeal bill includes many regulations with the ECJ as the final arbiter. So we wont see the back of the ECJ for decades. As for striking independent trade deals, customs union is still being promoted...
  11. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Do I have to spell it out, 23 OLYMPIC years ffs!!!!!! That's the subject and they are only held every four years for each games, Summer or Winter. As conclusively proven on this link, you were wrong on any method of comparison, so now please either admit it as you've just said you would, or...
  12. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You were and are wrong. Like has to be compared with like. No matter how presented, as totals for the before EU 23 years and after EU 23 years, or as average per each of all senior games, we have done much better since joining the EU. That's fact and your obfuscation won't fool members...
  13. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You did say Olympic games so I included them all. Still makes no difference, in the senior games we've done much better in the latter 23 years of the EU than in the 23 years before. .
  14. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Still not true, even leaving off 1972 it's 456 in 1973 to 2018, not 371. Count up the totals of the 23 games in the list I posted for you. Against that 456 in 23 games, in the 23 games before 1973 there were 266 medals won, that's over 42% less. No matter how many ways you try to distort...
  15. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That is just being silly, there were many more years pre EU than since and you appear to have included the freak year which greatly distorts. Only the achievement in each individual games counts and the EU years contain many higher scores than previously. And not only that, more misleading...
  16. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    We can have Galileo's full facilities if we continue to pay our share of the running costs, that isn't unreasonable. Wanting it free is. Agreed, but it doesn't alter the fact that there's more educational attainment since joining the EU Not true, we peaked in 2016 with 67 medals including...
  17. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    We've done much better in all of these since being in the EU, especially in the more recent years: Space: We are a major player in satellites. Education: More go to university and get degrees than ever before. Olympic medals: We've won more than in pre-EU times. Selling stuff: We sell...
  18. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Time isn't relevant, what goes round comes round. Leaving the EU takes us back politically 50 years, so could also return us to much else from the 1970s. Winning Eurovision again could be Brexit's only success. :( .
  19. flecc

    Attitudes of non-ebikers

    He should remember that when she wants a new washing machine and retort: "You don't need a washing machine, just get a washboard and use a little elbow grease". .
  20. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Nonsense, was Michael Heseltine fooled by the e? Of course not, he knew why it was there and didn't like what it indicated. It was the development that was collaborative as I've posted. The design was French from long before a partnership was sought and I've posted overwhelming information...