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  1. flecc

    Brexit, for once some facts.

    True, it was a government manifesto issue so the Commons can overrule the Lords. .
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That is untrue. We have signed to pay for previously agreed obligations such as the future EU pensions and the projects that we were involved with to their completion. These agreements are legally binding and we must pay both to avoid the harm I described and keep our good name. That is why...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I think it highly likely it will be. That's because I know it is the only deal on offer and cannot be renegotiated. You should think yourself lucky, for the EU has gone further than it wanted to. As little as three months ago they were insisting we couldn't have any control over free movement...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Once again you show how little you understand on this issue. The EU negotiator would ignore such childish bluff, knowing how impossible it was and that we could never do that. As I've already posted and you seem to have ignored, that breach of our agreed obligations would result in an...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Open access to the world's largest trading group as just one example. In Financial services alone in 2017 we earned £27 billions from the EU, while they only earned £4 billions from us in those services. Do you really want to chuck away the £23 billions difference and all our EU trade in...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No, their benefits are proportionally far more expensive than EU membership. .
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It wouldn't have mattered who did that, the facts of leaving the EU club made a poor outcome inevitable, as I've explained. Suppose you said to the RAC or AA that you were discontinuing your annual payment but still expected their breakdown services. When they said no, would you say they were...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Because the Tories want to get rid of the Human Rights Act and Labour are not opposing that change so it's likely to happen once we exit. Theresa May has said as much. So no protection from that act or the EU with their proven far better human rights record than UK courts or governments. .
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No, it's the only possible type of deal. We Remainers warned even before the referendum that any deal would be unsatisfactory. Indeed my factual post that started this entire thread back then was to alert that was the case, using a proven example. And it wasn't only us, the EU pointed out at...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I'll leave Danidl to answer. .
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    To avail themselves of human rights protection. .
  12. flecc

    Rode a 1000w E-bike yesterday... wow

    We all do, 250 watts is only a nominal legal limit, all of our motors pump out much more. Your Bosch for example over 500 watts. .
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    At least that's something many of us agree on! .
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The GFA was clearly made for an Ireland and UK within the EU and is only set in stone in that context. Nothing, absolutely nothing is ever set in stone for eternity. The departure from the EU of the UK with Northern Ireland clearly means a very different set of conditions which the UN will no...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    He obviously doesn't read our thread, we've lambasted Cameron on many occasions for his stupidity in holding the referendum. .
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Agreed, he's one of the same ilk as those KudosDave elicited. .
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I'm not a pessimist as my hopes for the EU and immigration show. But I base my opinions on the future of Vauxhall Luton on known facts as I've posted, not hopes. .
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I've disagreed since there are several falsehoods in the list. Points 3 and 4. We will pay a departure amount (probably the £39 billion) to the EU to honour our agreements. We have to in order to avoid our credit rating being slashed, which would severely damage our hopes of world trading...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I agree with you that this has happened, and there's reasons behind it. First in any population there are some who will take advantage of any opportunity to abuse the system. That applies to ourselves and immigrants. Second the unwillingness of the native population to do some kinds of...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    See this post for the truth behind the PSA position. .