He obviously doesn't read our thread, we've lambasted Cameron on many occasions for his stupidity in holding the referendum.
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Brexit, for once some facts.
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Well my son worked there.....But to be fair I can't prove he's my son. The ex wife did put it about a bit.
The GFA was clearly made for an Ireland and UK within the EU and is only set in stone in that context. Nothing, absolutely nothing is ever set in stone for eternity.
The departure from the EU of the UK with Northern Ireland clearly means a very different set of conditions which the UN will no doubt recognise and accept.
Quite how the border conditions will pan out none of us know, but it's certain that the EU will not tolerate completely open access.
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Just one part of your argument doesn't ring true.
The EU are not terrified of Brexit they are afraid of smugglers.
The UK is afraid of Brexit,that's why there is so much fuss and why we will have to comply with whatever the EU wants
As to this nonsense
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Does anyone think the hordes of Mediterranean refugees will suddenly all pile into small boats and land on the shores of the Republic to get into the UK?
Has some idiot suggested that?
That's not going to happen, so there is no reason for anyone in the UK or the Republic to be fearful..
By the way as far as I can see no one in the UK is fearful that there won't be an accommodation on the Irish Border to suit the EU
So ask yourself this why would the owner go back to employing locals when after Brexit he has access to non EU immigrants, which the Government has already confirmed the numbers of can be turned up or down as required?
And on past performance they have no intention of reducing?
Amusing post, I have however deleted the post it responds to and replaced it with another #38785
And our posts crossed
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Not that I trust the government...But the point of being able to adjust immigration up and down is to fill the jobs the locals can't do.
I'm hoping for a Labour government by the way.
I'm one of the Labour voters that want Brexit (Jeremy being another)
"The Irish on both sides are perfectly happy with the way things are at the moment, as is the UK government".
I fully concur with that statement . The emphasis being on at the moment. The Irish state sees the backstop, which was agreed by the British Cabinet as being the second best way of maintaining things as they are. A position which is concurred with by the NI business community and the rather conservative but pragramatic Farmers Association. The only group in NI I with misgivings is the DUP, who are out of touch with the desires of the NI constituencies,and are seeking to be National playmakers in Westminster.
I fully concur with that statement . The emphasis being on at the moment. The Irish state sees the backstop, which was agreed by the British Cabinet as being the second best way of maintaining things as they are. A position which is concurred with by the NI business community and the rather conservative but pragramatic Farmers Association. The only group in NI I with misgivings is the DUP, who are out of touch with the desires of the NI constituencies,and are seeking to be National playmakers in Westminster.
At least that's something many of us agree on!
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I want a Labour government too but for the life of me I think it will be a disaster if they assume power outside the EU and carry the blame the Tory party should have
And by the way what is the logic if you want Brexit of having Foreign workers do British Worker's jobs?
How do you balance those two diametrically opposed viewpoints?
What a Fine moral stance, that is certainly not Socialist.
On the one hand we oppose free movement
On the other hand retain the right to not employ locals as we don't want either to train of pay them properly so it therefore is OK to exploit foreigners as they don't matter as human beings?
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From the begining - you wrote: ""Sam Delaneys show as **** as it was, was totally independent of RT "
Totally = completely; absolutely. one hundred per cent;
Independent =
1) free from outside control; not subject to another's authority:
2) not depending on another for livelihood or subsistence: I wanted to remain independent in old age. • (of income or resources) making it unnecessary to earn one's living: a woman of independent means.
Nothing you just wrote / copy pasted indicated he recieved no money from RT/ Russian State for his show. Yes free of editorial control on his say so - but he wasn't entirely independent as he/his show was dependant on being paid to make the show to appear on RT channel which he realised himself when he said "I was, by then, aware of RT’s reputation. The channel is part-funded by the Russian state". (was he duped / naive in not realising the conection between RT > State Media.
Therefore he wasn't totally independant as you claim - partly but not 100%.
Same as if you had kids who'd left home - if they have jobs and pay their own rent they'd be said to be totally independant.
But if you, say, employ them or help pay their rent then they aren't totally independent.
There is as yet another scenario. ..linking two of these strands together. Assuming that the UK seeks to fill it's it's low value positions with low cost Indian and African immigrants and then treat them to the type of conditions as specified in that carrot farm. What is to stop them taking the ferry to Larne, and getting on the bus to Dublin and the EU, where they will be able to avail of human rights.? So a border between alternative employment models will be forced to exist. This is one of the four freedoms of the EU.
I'll leave Danidl to answer.human rights protection?....... in DUBLIN ?????
GASP!!!
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Under WTO rules you cannot avoid a hard boder,thats not the EU rules it is WTO rules...by hard Brexit it is the UK that is choosing to leave under WTO.
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Well its certainly a stick rather than the presenting position May has used.
The EU are desperate for a signature on Friday or Saturday.
They will get it too. But its all a waste of time. They know and we know it. It does give them an advantage in as much they can say we offered a deal.
Its is a Tom/Groaner level type of deal though.
Unacceptable