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de Gaulle was a very wise statesman with long experience of dealing with us, so no doubt knew enough about the British nature to foresee the problems we'd cause the EU. .

True, but I don't think the problem with 3 or even 4 countries should dictate to the rest. Either there should be stronger EU control over the running of their economies when necessary, rather like when the IMF ran ours in the 1970s, or the EU should be prepared to have a two level euro. I...

Yes, I was in favour of us joining it in the first place. With the added strength of the pound it would not have suffered much of the trouble it has. From the inception of the euro the currency traders have deliberately acted to destroy it by undermining with concerted actions. They hate the...

Fully agree, they have no moral right to interfere with the decision the whole UK made. The result stands. But I maintain they don't have to respect what they thought wrong and are entitled to act accordingly, even if it means a drastic change in status. .

You're absolutely right Tillson, if they'd all turned out to vote we'd most likely have had the opposite result. So they can't blame the older generations, despite my feeling we let the young down since it is their future. .

Exactly, such a divorce from global currency trading is impossible. It's in place simply because no-one has invented another way of setting relative currency values, an essential for trade. .

I cannot respect the decision, simply because I cannot respect what I thought and still think is wrong. To do otherwise would be hypocritical. After all, when a political party wins an election, do the opposition then agree and cooperate with everything they do? Of course not, they continue...

There's no doubt that a very large proportion of the young are concerned and disappointed by the referendum result. It's their future and I think we have let them down very badly. If we exit without a Norway type deal, they'll probably take us back into the EU eventually. .

Well it is true that a large number of the English supported the idea of Scottish independence. Whether that could translate into actively seeking separation is another matter though, I don't think most would be bothered enough about it. .

Not so, the refererendum was only advisory, not mandatory, and in any case entirely a internal affair of the UK. The EU has no authority to make any change in our current status quo. Only our serving article 50 notice would change that, hence them urging us to move quickly in doing that since...

The link isn't working Derf? P.S. Is this the link you intended? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36633244 .

Largely agree, but if a second referendum reversed the result before we notified article 50, nothing would change. I'm against a second referendum though, just raising this technicality. .

I raised this around a year ago in this forum, using it to show what was possible within the EU. That would be fun. Wales is currently also a principality of England with the Prince of Wales (Charles Windsor). Since the royal family is also that of Wales, the Welsh could have England as a...

Hopefully not, I don't agree with the demand for a second referendum, just as I didn't agree with the one we just had. Referenda aren't the way we govern this country, we elect governments to run the country. That's our democracy. .

I think you've forgotten that there are landlines? ;) I've got one too and they don't get switched off. .

I wouldn't even get the camera use, since for my wildlife photography I carry dedicated cameras with me nearly all the time. Even the best smartphone cameras couldn't do what even my pocketable cameras can do. Like this telephoto shot of a distant blackbird as it caught a worm yesterday, click...

That's something we sound alike in, I think all phones are far more of a curse than a benefit. The problem with a phone call is that it intrudes into our privacy with no regard for one's preferences or welfare. Before it's invention, we would call upon each other, and since that incurred...

I thought just having the referendum was pathetic. No way, we'd lose this time by more goals. (Posted in the true spirit of negativity. :D) .

That's already happened, millions of them here and millions of us there! :rolleyes: The grass the other side etc - - - - - - .

I accept it, but the outcome needs to be fair too. Since over 48% did not agree to leave, that should be reflected in a democracy. In other words a compromise, and the Norway style solution is just that. .