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Fits the forecast I posted a short while ago. The Conservatives letting someone else take the short term flak and any current election. Boris wouldn't like being the victim of that. Then Boris held back for the usual end of term election when his wide public appeal could save their skins. .

He would, it was the UK government and Home Office set against them and refusing permission. Even if as PM he'd find total opposition to their use here. .

He didn't, the Germans couldn't believe their luck when they saw him coming. First he bought them without permission for use, which has since been refused. Second they needed extensive repairs costing a large sum. Third, we've been looking ever since for someone more stupid than Boris...

Indeed, could probably get more energy from moonlight on a PV panel. .

I hope so, I really don't want Johnson as PM, not now, not any time. .

That's definitely true, they are seeking full compatibility of major law, something that far from true in the USA where if one doesn't like the law, it's often just a case of nipping over the state line for it to change. .

Oh dear, talk about misrepresentation! In what way was I holding up the USA as a model, it's the very last thing I would ever do? I merely corrected Brendan's impression that the states enjoyed little devolution, when in fact they control most matters. .

I think you are greatly underestimating how much power the states of the USA have. In a very large number of areas it's the states that call the shots, overriding federal law at will. Indeed it's true to say that much of federal law is no more than guidance which states can adopt or overrule...

I don't think Labour have had a chance since the general election, regardless of who leads them. The reason is mainly where you are Jimod, the loss of seats in Scotland making it nearly impossible for them in the rest of the UK. So much of England is rather conservative by inclination and the...

Very true, as ever the media and opposing interests looked for sensation and grabbed anything they could get hold of. It's far too early to get any reliable indication of what effect the referendum result will have, and any movements are just as likely to reflect our current UK political chaos...

The FTSE 100 isn't a reliable guide to the current situation since it includes such a large foreign trade content which is influenced in both directions by it's spread. The FTSE 250 is a much better reflection of the UK's interests. That dropped sharply on the result but has recovered a third...

Mike, Flud has started an excellent thread asking for the reasons why we voted as we did. Please don't turn it into another attacking thread, sniping at those who voted differently. The campaign is over. .

As you may have seen when I've posted this before, for me it was about the end target of a country called Europe, which I think desirable due to the way the world is shaping up. In doing that I recognised and have acknowledged that the road to that end will be very rocky indeed, but I think it...

No they were not launched by the French. They repaired and commissioned the missiles but the Super Etendards were only flown by Argentinian pilots who launched the missiles using their radars as I posted. These are usually air launched missiles. One that was fired at HMS Glamorgan from an...

Nitpicking, but I trust you meant commission the missiles. The four Exocets used were launched in the air from Super Etendard aircraft by Argentinian pilots using their on-board radar at 12 miles range. Of course as with so many things, EU nations retained sovereignty in relation to the...

Strange choice if so, it does mean a reduction in the EU laws that apply, but includes Shengen's full freedom of movement. I can't see Brexit voters being too happy with that. However, I can't see the EU buying the idea of a mini-state agreement applying to the UK. .

I agree Flud, we are going to leave and the sooner the process starts, the better. But I see an outcome that is going to leave everyone unhappy. The great majority of those in power are in favour of Remain, and I can't see a general election materially changing that. Therefore the...

The late Quintin Hogg, who was Lord Hailsham and one of our finest legal minds, maintained in the same vein that any law which was not supported by 80% of the people was bad law. .

This post I just made agrees Flud, I don't think the young could have made any difference to the result. .

I've just used age distribution stats to calculate the 18 to 24 group and it seems that there are at least 6.3 millions in that group. That means some 4 millions of them didn't vote. Therefore it would have needed at least three-quarters of them to vote remain with just a quarter to leave for...