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Faster charge times of course and it seems they thought of that too. Sweet!!!!

Revolution in detail – perfectly dosed power with endurance | Exhibitor release Here's a write up on the new batteries. More range, more cycles retrofitable. What more could you ask for?

You invoke Darwin but act more like a creationist in ignoring the available evidence.

S series is 23-25 kg X series is 22-25 kg BikeTec - FLYER models. :: Model overview. The biketec web sites has plenty of info and it's in English too.

And just to say I was comparing Swiss kalkhoff prices with Swiss flyer prices. Kalkhoff may well be cheaper in the uk than here :D

http://www.biketec.ch/m/mandanten/145/download/S_Serie_Preise_CHF.pdf This has the prices in Swiss francs for the s series range but this is a high speed only model. I bought mine from Tom's bikes in Wetzikon which is a shop just round the corner from my house but mine took 9 weeks to...

All flyer models have are offered with alfine except the tandem. I don't know about the uk price but I don't think the the Swiss price is much different than the equivalent kalkhoff, perhaps a shade more but the do offer a 5 year warrant on everything but the battery(2 years) and parts like the...

You can rent the battery without the bike. I emailed a bike shop in Zurich. Coverage looks good too but I don't know what availability is like on the day.

I'd have said that most people who ride ebikes aren't bothered about other peoples opinions, except maybe to correct other people when they wrong :)

So there are some advantages to being fat?

Sales of e-bikes in Switzerland double each year. - swissinfo Seems like an expanding market here in Switzerland too.

I'm hoping the reliability of the panasonic system will be good enough. Long term I think maybe a nice touring bike maybe on the cards but I will see how I get on with the flyer.

I'm considering using swiss trail who cart your stuff and arrange accommodation. Think fully loaded camping would be impractial and for my first trip I think I'll let someone else do the planning.

If only. It will cost much more than that for the food but the leccy will be a little bit cheaper.

Thanks overland

Thinking about doing this route Lakes Route - Montreux–Rorschach - Cycling in Switzerland in October and I wondered if any of you had any tips on long distance Ebike touring?

TRIPENDO - the three-wheeler that likes bends how about this aldby? Looks like fun.

Except of course when you have to give it back

Enjoy eddieo I don't think you will be disappointed.

Maybe the 400 is to much but I have always fancied the 140l which uses aa batteries which to me is a bonus.