Bosch Explains All the forthcoming new regulations

[georgehenry]

Remember he was talking about E mountain bikes, not road/commuter bikes.

The current speed limit cut off is pretty irrelevant off road, but power and how it is delivered is relevant on technical steep climbs.

Downhill again the cut off speed and even the need for any assistance at all is almost irrelevant on steep technical descents where it is all about the brakes suspension and handling.

 

[danielrlee]

If these new regulations come to fruition, surely DJI's response will be to limit the output to 750w, slap a 250w sticker on it and offer it to the global market as indestructibly over-engineered.

I can see it now...
"DJI - Built better than Bosch".

 

[guerney]

They'd only need to change the DJI app to limit to 750W, or simply leave 1000W optional and let users decide whether to break the law.

I was reading about how China is dumping yarn at low prices all over India, I wonder how long it'll be before DJI offer seriously low prices to ebike integrators/manufacturers in Europe and the UK? Doubling down by making 1000W permanent via the app sounds promising - perhaps they plan to sell as many as possible in case new regs come into effect?

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I can't buy a DJI, I is not a DJ. They could remotely make the bike commit hari kari by making it a mandatory update. That's been done to my devices before. I hate and now actively avoid everything which requires an app to function.

 

[guerney]

DJI strikes back!!!

DJI does not agree with proposed e-bike rule changes

DJI comes out swinging saying the proposals do not “have a clear theoretical foundation”.

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DJI hits out at 'blanket power restriction' and exploitative industry practices in official response to proposed e-bike motor legislation - MBR

DJI has issued an official response to the recommendation from German bike industry body Zweirad Industrie Verband (ZIV) to cap motor power at 750W. The detailed reply, from the drone brand and manufacturer of the game-changing Avinox motor, makes a number of salient points regarding the...

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Official statement from DJI in full:

1. The proposed restriction of 750 W does not appear to have a clear theoretical foundation justifying why this specific limit has been chosen. We believe it is essential for the industry to engage in more thorough and comprehensive discussions to determine an appropriate power limit.

2. The imposition of a 750 W limit may overlook the needs of certain vulnerable groups, including individuals with disabilities who require enhanced assistance, those with higher body weights, minors, and users of e-cargo bikes for transporting supplies, where often involve loads up to 400 kg, necessitating additional support when navigating inclined terrains. We urge policymakers to consider these unique requirements in their deliberations.

(Additionally, It is also important to recognize that in scenarios involving e-cargo bikes, users with higher body weights etc., the riding speed tends to be significantly lower than the speed limit. Consequently, the associated kinetic energy and the likelihood of potential injuries remain low and within acceptable safety standards.)

(E-Cargo bikes might need to be discussed separately, as there might be a separate classification for e-cargo in the future? We support the establishment of more nuanced classifications and standards within the industry, rather than imposing a blanket lower power restriction across the board. It is our position that a tailored approach would better address the diverse needs and applications within this sector.)

3. Our pursuit of enhanced power is driven by the goal of improving the riding experience (while maintaining a balance between the wear and cost of easily worn components), rather than merely increasing power for its own sake. For instance, the Avinox’s power output is intelligently modulated, automatically decreasing power and torque during gear shifts. This strategy extends the life of the transmission system, ensuring an optimal balance between performance, safety, and reliability.

4. It is crucial to remain critical regarding certain practices within the industry that are exploiting user needs, where certain manufacturers differentiate their products by imposing subscription-based fees or offering superior performance or features exclusively for premium models, despite identical hardware components. They profit primarily through software limitations. This highlights the critical importance of prioritizing genuine user needs and maintaining transparency in product offerings.

5. We recognize the need for more adaptable solutions for eMTB riders, including scene-based power modes and user-adjustable settings, which we have successfully developed and implemented. These features allow users to tailor the power mode (including the highest power setting) to meet varying situational demands, such as requiring greater power when starting the ride or ascending hills, thereby enhancing the overall riding experience within legal speed limits. This innovation has been widely validated in the market.

6. We’re closely monitoring the EU regulations and we are committed to adhere to established guidelines. We are also committed to providing our users with support in light of any regulatory changes that may impact our products. Should such circumstances arise, we will ensure that our end users and OEM bike brands have access to the necessary resources and guidance for adaptations.

7. Avinox represents more than merely power output; its innovation is reflected in various features, such as its compact size and lightweight design, impressive power-to-weight ratio, seamless software-hardware integration, advanced smart-assist algorithms, lightweight yet high-capacity battery, rapid charging capabilities and more. All these elements underscore Avinox’s commitment to enhancing user experience and exemplify our dedication to innovation.

8. Since its launch, Avinox has swiftly garnered acclaim from OEM bike brands, users, and top tier media outlets and organizations, underscoring the importance for the industry to heed these voices.


The day is saved! Heavy hill trailer haulers rejoice! Rapid Fatso will be able to buy a legal bike after all?

 

[lenny]

“There is not one bike not being sold because of a lack of power. This is an artificial craziness” Bosch’s CEO speaks about e-bike legislation and why the brand won’t be looking to develop more powerful motors anytime soon
Everyone's worried about potential changes to e-bike legislation. But what does the CEO of Bosch eBike Systems, Claus Fleischer, think about them?

"There is not one bike not being sold because of a lack of power. This is an artificial craziness" Bosch's CEO speaks about e-bike legislation and why the brand won't be looking to develop more powerful motors anytime soon - MBR

Maximum power, type approval, banning e-bikes from trails. It’s the hot topic at the moment, and rightly so. Imagine not being able to take your eeb to the bike park? Or having to apply for registration, insurance, and maybe even get an MoT certificate every year. And this potential legislation...

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