Brexit, for once some facts.

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I, m not disagreeing with this. A no deal would be damaging but to be fair nobody really knows to what extent and the damage card has been over played too many times. Crying wolf and all that.
The big mistake we have made however is letting everyone know we are afraid of a no deal. EU should have thought we wanted no deal and to hell with it. Our own MPs told the whole world we would not accept no deal and then expected May to go and get a better deal...
We have played into their hands. Its like bluffing at poker but telling table we had a pair of 3s..Jack high. Against their full house.
You're forgetting that No deal was brandished in the the face of the EU and they simply laughed at it.
What happened later won't alter that
 
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he lacks any credibility if he doesn't present a viewpoint.
Well, you have presented your viewpoint and I find you incredible. I don't know what 'robdon's viewpoint is but he doesn't strike me as being an idiot from the responses he has made to many posts in this thread. A man is entitled to keep his own counsel and I don't think anyone should be criticised for that.

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On Robdon. If genuine I applaud his ability to keep his powder dry and simply express himself through likes dislikes.
However, I often wonder if his reluctance to post is more to do with hiding a distinct writing style that would show his other identity.
There was a slip a few hundred posts back . Two posters had crossed posts. One apologised to other, and Robdon agreed with apology...???
Perhaps a genuine slip? Why would a 3rd party agree with an apology..??? The agree disappeared fairly quickly.???
There are bound to be dual Id's on Forum... Spotting them is not impossible.
Well I happened to look in a mirror just now, and there's only one of me:cool:
 
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A no deal would be damaging but to be fair nobody really knows to what extent and the damage card has been over played too many times. Crying wolf and all that.
a no deal can't last long. The conservative government genuinely wants to negotiate an FTA, they will have to agree to the £39 billions and the backstop before any deal can be delivered. The current withdrawal deal must be ratified.
Back to where TM is at the moment.
That will make sure that the tories are discredited, the chaos will turn brexiters and remainers against them. Labour will soon start a motion of no confidence. Even if the tories can survive until the UK goes into no deal brexit, a second motion of no confidence will be submitted when the scale of chaos is known, TM's government will be gone by October.
 
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Are we really supposed to see this as anything but a poor joke. It's bonkers Tom. Complete off the wall raving.

He's obsessed with Nazis and Hitler.

He is the living embodiment of Godwin.

I bet he even rants about Hitler as he's picking up tins of spaghetti hoops from his local food bank.
 

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On Robdon. If genuine I applaud his ability to keep his powder dry and simply express himself through likes dislikes.
However, I often wonder if his reluctance to post is more to do with hiding a distinct writing style that would show his other identity.
No, Robdon even signed off some of his early post entries with Rob. He's posted hundreds of time on e-bikes and posted his high regard for departed member d8veh, something not shared by those you might be suspecting of using the Robdon ID.

And his e-bike history doesn't match those suspects either.
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Is this a portent of things to come in the future if we desert the 27 other nation states?https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/hockey/46579323

Tom

We actually over achieved in this World Cup. Getting to the semi final was a superb result for this young squad that is on a course for the Tokyo Olympics.

The way the funding works is all geared towards the Olympics in sports such as Hockey, Judo, Badminton etc.

But lets not let that spoil any opportunity you can find to knock your own country.

Eh Tom?
 
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Are we really supposed to see this as anything but a poor joke. It's bonkers Tom. Complete off the wall raving.
Actually the parallels are too obvious to be dismissed without recognising they exist and are at least partially true.
A government that holds parliament in contempt,and you regard a clear warning from history as something to be scorned?
Very dangerous thing to do
 
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oldgroaner

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We actually over achieved in this World Cup. Getting to the semi final was a superb result for this young squad that is on a course for the Tokyo Olympics.

The way the funding works is all geared towards the Olympics in sports such as Hockey, Judo, Badminton etc.

But lets not let that spoil any opportunity you can find to knock your own country.

Eh Tom?
Comment on sports is knocking your own country? where is the connection?
 
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No, Robdon even signed off some of his early post entries with Rob. He's posted hundreds of time on e-bikes and posted his high regard for departed member d8veh, something not shared by those you might be suspecting of using the Robdon ID.

And his e-bike history doesn't match those suspects either.
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Fair enough. Apologies to Robdon then..
 

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I don't think it does communicate his thoughts, but as you say it is his right to do it that way. problem is he lacks any credibility if he doesn't present a viewpoint.
He has done, he's a Remainer and not Conservative, but prefers to post moderately and dislikes forum dispute. I think from what Zlatan has posted that he suspected Robdon is another identity of Old Tom, but that isn't the case as Rob's posts show. For example:

"November 23rd, 2015
Since D8veh stopped posting and creating great interest in his posts, the forum has gone to pot, half the members do not bother looking in. All we get now is throat cutting, and taking the p**s out of other members posts.
ROB"

Also Rob showed in a post that he didn't know who former prolific poster Eddieo was. OldTom who joined back in Eddieo's posting days does know.
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Ever heard of this?
HBO How Brexit was won

A very odd trailer at a very unfortunate time, when criminal proceedings are under way, which the people releasing this have either chosen to ignore or are trying to make a point that the criminal proceedings won't actually have a meaningful result
 
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I, m not disagreeing with this. A no deal would be damaging but to be fair nobody really knows to what extent and the damage card has been over played too many times. Crying wolf and all that.
The big mistake we have made however is letting everyone know we are afraid of a no deal. EU should have thought we wanted no deal and to hell with it. Our own MPs told the whole world we would not accept no deal and then expected May to go and get a better deal...
We have played into their hands. Its like bluffing at poker but telling table we had a pair of 3s..Jack high. Against their full house.
Two points..
1. True nobody knows how bad a no deal deal will be.. yours, mine,uncle Tom Cobbley are all guesses. But from this stage there is No-one, with any credibility is suggesting it will be an improvement on the current arrangement.
2. Possibility you are correct and the UK negotiating strategy was ill structured. However again from an EU perspective,a "no deal " is preferable to bad deal was also incredible. They actually have economists in France, Denmark and Germany and they know that trading figures don't lie.
 

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Actually the parallels are too obvious to be dismissed without recognising they exist and are at least partially true.
A government that holds parliament in contempt,and you regard a clear warning from history as something to be scorned?
Very dangerous thing to do
I assume that OT compares the nationalists in the conservative party to the German national socialists but there is a big difference. The conservative nationalists are a small minority and not in power, the nazis were united and won the vote. There is no way the conservative nationalists are going to rule this country.
 
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