Brexit, for once some facts.
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he may well have the keys to No 10 before the end of 2019.
I cannot disagree with this but..
The UK will have to make a deal with the EU as a matter of urgency, whichever model of brexit happens to be chosen. If you look closely at the brexit opportunity, there are a lot of vested interests out there, especially from the big brexit campaign funders.
They want to profit from the chaos of a no deal brexit because it gives certainty to their bets against the Pound, against the EU anti tax avoidance directive that must be incorporated in next March budget if there is a deal, against a raise in corporate and capital gain taxation when austerity ends while those on PAYE have nothing or little to look forward to.
Your first sentence kind of answers the second paragraph.
It all depends on a Corbyn win to see if Brexit helps the worker in the short term.
As I've said repeatedly on here though, my view is very little will change in the short term.
there is little TM's government can do. Any patrol boat will have to carry out their humanitarian duty saving lives and bring the migrants ashore, UK side.
The only few solutions have been devised by the EU in dealing with migrants crossing the Med. Pay Turkey and Libya to do the work.
Today I hear that Caroline Noakes (The minister for immigrants) is in Dover pretending to be doing something about the good for nothing chancers washing up on uk shores aboard air beds. Dover is the wrong place, she needs to be positioned 50 metres of the French coast with a giant hat pin, popping air beds.
The BBC report: Only one of the Border Force's fleet of five cutters - specialist boats which the force describes as being capable of rescuing several migrant boats at the same time - is currently operational in the Dover Strait.
The above is excellent news and let’s hope that the one boat falls into disrepair very soon. The fewer rescue craft the better. We need defences to stop the boats landing and a fleet of landing craft to return any that do make it ashore in the U.K. straight back to the French coast.
There will be a huge loss of life soon, let us hope that it’s no one from the U.K. These mindless, selfish & sponging clowns are not needed or welcome in the U.K.
Just so you know I started a £10 a month contribution to the RNLI this morning.
I thought since they lost yours I would chip in yours and add my own.
Very proud of them saving peoples lives. Long may it continue.
A UK life is the same value as any other human beings life no matter where they are born.
That is rather amusing from a country which is well and truly suckling on the EU teat and totally dependant on it as a "net taker" unlike the UK which is a major contributor. It has to be said that Ireland is a country which had to have two referendums before the "correct" answer was given and one which went bust in 2008.
I also find Leo Varadkar quite amusing when he acts tough over the EU negotiations. He is in fact totally beholden to the EU, or Germany as it is more commonly known. If Merkel shoves a Euro up his arse, he will dance to whatever tune she chooses. Brexit may cost the citizens of the UK more and it may make us worse off, but sometimes that isn't a bad thing when you look at the way some countries are desperately clinging onto the German teat. It does give us something to laugh at though.
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As the Germans were apt to say during World War 2, resistance is useless.
They've just got there by other means.
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They have given the appearance of being unassailable in the past, but have always come unstuck. I'm not saying they will come unstuck this time, but the track record isn't good.
this time is different. The EU is an empire built on consensus, not military might.
True, but the track record was based on their using muscle. This time they've used brains instead. So this time it's based on the world's strongest economy which also meets all carbon targets, which is a pretty good foundation.
P.S. Crossed with Woosh's post.
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That is very noble of you. I do realise that my cancelled subscription will make absolutely no difference whatsoever. The same can be said for you increased subscription. It was a symbolic gesture to withdraw my support from the illegal immigrant ferrying service being operated by The RNLI, which is disgusting, ill advised and will lead to an increase in undesirables, wasters, and other garbage trying to enter the UK illegally.
It's a fragile consensus with its foundations rooted in bullying and financial bribery. There is a lot of unrest and unease across the EU and I was surprised by the depth of feeling in Italy, Greece and the Netherlands. I have relations in those countries and although this is a small snap-shot I think on the balance of what I hear, the EU is not a solid rock.
But it is muscle in a way. The glue holding the EU together is money and threats of turning the money hose off. Relationships built on money and strong arm tactics always fail eventually. The only ones which prosper are relationships built on shared values, and a common desire to be together. That is most definitely not the case with the EU. The whole Brexit negotiation has been threat and financial penalty based from both sides. The same knee-capping technique would be deployed by the EU if another country showed an interest in leaving. This is not a basis for a successful future.
It's built on mountains of debt.
Don't forget that Germany initially demanded Greek islands as repayment when the first round of interest matured about 9 years ago. That is a land grab.
It wasn't so long ago that they did the self same thing but behind a gun.
Exactly
I didn't know that and if true represents a stark warning that we should heed.
Not a particularly high mountain.
Italy: 2.3 trillion Euros
France: 2.25 Trl
Germany: 2.07 Trl
UK: 2.01 Trl
Spain 1.16 Trl
Our level of debts is higher than the Eurozone average.
But what are parameters?
Are we including mortgages? France, Germany, Italy and Spain don't really have that in their culture.
But anyway, we're back where we started today. It's just numbers, we can print more bits of paper like last time. The game is up.
If the pound fails we can just invent the grockle and start again. Nothing stopping us.
We can be a grockle economy. And don't forget one grockle is worth 3.62 Euros.
We should change now before we don't pay that 39bn...