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the cables in the floor cant handle all electric cars which i said years ago as the cables cant take the load so the hole lot needs replacing buy 2035 not going to happen.

its all about making more money and price the middle class of the road so buy a horse :p
the average car driver does 7000 miles a year. Efficient cars like teslas can do 4 miles per kwh. That works out 2000kwh per driver per annum, mostly at cheaper hours. It's doable.
 
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yet if you watch the video he got a tesla on a public charger and it cost more than 2 times the cost of petrol for the same mileage.

even if everyone had a electric car and charger at home everything would have to be replaced let alone the power plants to support it.

then you got all the heat pumps its not going to happen and 6k electric bills for a poxy 2 bed house lol.
 
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the cables in the floor cant handle all electric cars which i said years ago as the cables cant take the load so the hole lot needs replacing buy 2035 not going to happen.
Nonsense, when will you learn.

Most charging takes place overnight when dermand is low and there's plenty of capacity.

And 2035 is when we have to stop buying IC cars, not when all cars are electric. That won't happen until well over 20 years later, between 2055 and 2060.
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our house is off the road so cant have a charger and even if we could the cable in the floor can only support 1.

and income tax pays for the electric anyway and have proven you dont have to pay it what if everyone did that pmsl.

and buy 2035 no one will be buying any car same as houses let alone afford the electric.
 

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our house is off the road so cant have a charger and even if we could the cable in the floor can only support 1.

and income tax pays for the electric anyway and have proven you dont have to pay it what if everyone did that pmsl.

and buy 2035 no one will be buying any car same as houses let alone afford the electric.
Buy a pre 2017 model s (public charging at tesla superchargers are free for these for life, I kid you not, but it has poor reliability and isn't exactly stealth for a county line drug run)
 

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EUSSR "Democracy Shield MEDIA Kontrol fűr Edukashun", jawohl Urzula :)
https://youtube.com/shorts/SX4bDKFyPTw?si=CoWE7OuA8fzOizfD
Here is an exposé from Marx to Sorel, to Mussolini. I would extend that to MAGA, and now Farage tries the same myth of the nation. Mussolini once said 'I don't feel Italian, I feel desperately Italian'.
When you replace education with the emotional energy of the crowd, you throw away your ability to think.

 

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Following the appalling events of WW2. Winston Churchill decided that a Human Rights law was desirable and appointed British politician and lawyer Sir David Maxwell-Fyfe to produce one. Trouble was that no UK government was prepared to adopt it. Long afterwards the EU also had the same idea and cast around for examples. Happening upon our draft they were duly impressed with its excellence and largely adopted it unaltered, to this day crediting Sir David.

Ironically that led to the UK having to adopt it when Winston’s fellow Tory politician, Edward Heath, decided we should join the European project, the biter bitten and only ourselves to blame!

Your attempt to portray the UK as not needing a human rights act is ridiculous, considering our very long history of violent and abusive treatment of peoples all over the world, including in our own British Isles, Ireland for an appalling example.

We need one as much any other nation and the excellent largely British produced ECHR is ideal for the job, especially since it includes monitoring of our behaviour by others, already shown to be necessary in 2003.
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I didn't say anywhere that we didn't need human rights law. We already had human rights law, a very long time before the 1998 act. I made it perfectly clear that we have had it for generations, while most of Europe was under fascist or communist, murderous dictatorship.

I objected to the imposition of instructions for our government to follow the judgements of a court in a foreign jurisdiction, on particular and strange cases, such as prohibition of the deportation of foreign born murderers, rapists and child abusers, because they had family in the UK. That is insane and an outrage to our sovereignty.

Especially ridiculous considering our history of respect for human rights to be overruled by a European court. A large number of the 47 countries signed up to the court have a history of massive human rights abuse if you look back not many decades.
 

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Here is an exposé from Marx to Sorel, to Mussolini. I would extend that to MAGA, and now Farage tries the same myth of the nation. Mussolini once said 'I don't feel Italian, I feel desperately Italian'.
When you replace education with the emotional energy of the crowd, you throw away your ability to think.

STUPID, Stupid comparison.

Italian fascism from its very beginning, just like Nazism was founded on state promoted violence and oppression of opposition parties. Mussolini set up gangs of thugs to go around murdering opponents. This is a characteristic which separates fascism from the democratic right.

You ought to know better than that.

Fascism, of which there was plenty in Europe, was always characterised by the following:

One party rule - opposition parties outlawed
Violent oppression of other political views
Imprisonment of opponents
State control of industry and the economy
Violent militia activity promoted by the state
Militarism

These characteristics are entirely missing in the democratic right.

Your comparison of the democratic right and fascism, based on the fact that people here desire to preserve the sovereignty and historical character of our nation, is as stupid as it would be to say that Farage is a man and so is Mussolini, so we must fear that they are the same.

Farage's great beef with the EU was that it was anti-democratic - it sucked away power and control from the people. It still does so.
 
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The abuse of our asylum rules is absolutely unravelling.



I have my French niece staying with me right now. We have been ebiking, walking and exploring the remoter parts of Northumberland.

We spoke yesterday about what I described as the outrageous claim that people from Africa and the Middle East need to escape from France to come here by a dangerous criminal process and she laughed at the idea that it was necessary or even proper at all.

'It's a joke', she said. 'They are perfectly safe in France or anywhere in Europe, but they are a nuisance, camping around Calais and the ports so the government are happy when they leave.'
 
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Here is an exposé from Marx to Sorel, to Mussolini. I would extend that to MAGA, and now Farage tries the same myth of the nation. Mussolini once said 'I don't feel Italian, I feel desperately Italian'.
When you replace education with the emotional energy of the crowd, you throw away your ability to think.

Fk me!

Within42 seconds, the presenter makes his first statement about fascism. It is grotesquely false. An absolute error of fact.


"To date there have only been two governments which have uncontroversially, remotely been considered as fascist. And those are the governments of Germany and Italy between WW1 and WW2.'

ROFLMAO - WHAT?????

How about:




Don't post ill thought out videos stuffed with errors and expect to win an argument.
 

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Within42 seconds, the presenter makes his first statement about fascism. It is grotesquely false. An absolute error of fact.
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Don't post ill thought out videos stuffed with errors and expect to win an argument.
His exposé is an academic work, not the usual opinion pieces you see on youtube.
He tried to see how fascism came about, phisosophically, throughout history, from the 1800s through to present day. He started with Marx and Engels, the struggle of the classes, Gustave Le Bon on the sociology of the crowd, bolshevism then patiotism of Mussolini, the totalitarism of Hitler, Leninism, stalinism and Maoism.
It's just a distillation of the following books:

This is the bibliography:
The Crowd: Gustave Le Bon
Reflections On Violence: Georges Sorel
Fascism: Roger Griffin
My Autobiography: Benito Mussolini
The Political And Social Doctrine Of Fascism: Benito Mussolini
The Origins And Doctrine Of Fascism: Giovanni Gentile
Selections From What Is Fascism: Giovanni Gentile
Mein Kampf: Adolf Hitler
Marxism, Fascism & Totalitarianism: A. James Gregor
Mussolini And The Eclipse Of Italian Fascism: R. J. B. Bosworth
The Philosophy Of History: Georg Hegel
The Anatomy Of Fascism: Robert O. Paxton
The Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich: William Shirer
The Third Reich: A History Of Nazi Germany: Thomas Childers
The Righteous Mind: Jonathan Haidt
The Communist Manifesto: Karl Marx
The Open Society And Its Enemies: Karl Popper

Take another look if you want to discuss about what is fascism.
 
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I didn't say anywhere that we didn't need human rights law. We already had human rights law, a very long time before the 1998 act.
No we did not have anything like adequate human rights law, sometimes quite the opposite. Why else would Churchill have consided that a new human rights law was required? Why else would Sir David Maxwell-Fyffe draft new law?

Especially ridiculous considering our history of respect for human rights to be overruled by a European court. A large number of the 47 countries signed up to the court have a history of massive human rights abuse if you look back not many decades.
Now you are being ridiculous, we don't have a long history of respect for human rights or even a very recent history of observance. We share with the guilt of many of the 47.

You really are a blinkered dinosaur. How can you pretend that we have little guilt when so much of our abuse has been during your own lifetime, committed by Britons living in parallel with you and written into our law?
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How about:


From the same ChatGPT:

A strict philosophical definition of fascism is tricky because unlike liberalism or socialism, fascism didn’t emerge from a coherent body of philosophical writings—it was more a political movement than a systematic doctrine. Still, scholars (especially philosophers like Giovanni Gentile, who co-authored Mussolini’s Doctrine of Fascism) have tried to give it conceptual clarity.


Here’s a distilled definition in philosophical terms:


Fascism (strict definition)

A revolutionary, anti-liberal, anti-communist form of ultra-nationalist political philosophy that asserts:


  1. Primacy of the Nation/State – The individual only finds meaning through the state; “Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State” (Mussolini).
  2. Organic Unity – Society is viewed as a single living body; class conflict and pluralism are rejected in favor of national unity.
  3. Authoritarian Leadership – The state is personified in a supreme leader who embodies the will of the people.
  4. Myth of Regeneration – Fascism presents itself as a rebirth after a period of decline, promising to restore national greatness through struggle.
  5. Militarism and Violence – War and conflict are celebrated as noble and cleansing forces; violence is a legitimate means of political renewal.
  6. Anti-Individualism & Anti-Liberalism – Rights and freedoms are subordinate to duty, hierarchy, and collective destiny.
  7. Anti-Marxism – While fascism borrows corporatist or syndicalist language, it rejects both capitalism’s liberalism and socialism’s class struggle, proposing instead a third way of state-directed, corporatist economics.

Philosophical Sources

  • Giovanni Gentile: Developed the idea of “actual idealism,” where individuals only exist as expressions of the state’s ethical will.
  • Mussolini’s Doctrine of Fascism (1932): Defined fascism as rejecting both liberal individualism and Marxist materialism.
  • Later scholars (e.g. Roger Griffin) summarize fascism as “palingenetic ultranationalism” — i.e., a movement for national rebirth based on myth and authoritarian unity.


In short: Philosophically, fascism is the doctrine that the individual has no independent moral existence apart from the state, which embodies the nation’s destiny, and must submit totally to its authority, discipline, and regenerative struggle.
 
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Farage's great beef with the EU was that it was anti-democratic
Wrong. While it is true that the EU is not a democracy, it exists to ultimately achieve a democratic parliamentary country called Europe. Since that is its sole purpose, it cannot be ANTI-democracy.

To achieve its aim, agreed by its member countries to be desirable, it of necessity cannot be democratic meanwhile, since the application of democracy would prevent sufficient agreement to achieve union.
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While it is true that the EU is not a democracy, it exists to ultimately achieve a democratic parliamentary country called Europe. Since that is its sole purpose, it cannot be ANTI-democracy.
Agreed.
The EU is as a laboratory of political possibility. A place where Europe chose not only to rebuild but to try something new: to govern itself without dissolving into conflict, and without surrendering to empire. Whether this experiment succeeds remains uncertain. But its very existence is remarkable, a reminder that politics is not only about what is, but also about what might be.
 
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the average car driver does 7000 miles a year. Efficient cars like teslas can do 4 miles per kwh. That works out 2000kwh per driver per annum, mostly at cheaper hours. It's doable.
Speaking of what's doable, inflation's up, but more significantly govt bond yields are sharply, persistently up, well above truss levels, even 30 year yields. I get that this may in part, perhaps, be fallout of the arse of the deal's playing around with tariffs, but where are we going, other than the obvious (tax rises, ailing services, stagflation)?
 
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where are we going, other than the obvious (tax rises, ailing services, stagflation)?
The threat of Farage winning the next election is not very high but high enough to destabise the UK economy. ChatGPT suggested to me:
  • Maintain higher allocation for UK stocks against French stocks but favor:
    • Dividend stocks (FTSE 100).
    • Domestic-focused companies (FTSE 250) over multinationals sensitive to trade policy.
  • Be ready to hedge GBP if Farage-style populism increases volatility.
 
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the average car driver does 7000 miles a year. Efficient cars like teslas can do 4 miles per kwh. That works out 2000kwh per driver per annum, mostly at cheaper hours. It's doable.
I've continued to do my annual checks on the range of my Nissan Leaf, easy to do without anywhere near emptying the battery since tests have shown the dashboard indicated range has been very accurate. That odometer initially shows a loss of 4 or 5 miles after charging to full, then maintains accuracy for the whole capacity until the end when it recovers a little extra bringing the range to precisely the initial indication.

Now well into its eighth year, the new WLTP range of 168 miles of its 40 kWh battery it lived up to. In the second and third years summers that often increased to indicate a little over 170 miles. It then settled to the 160s in subsequent years and this year two checks without using the air-con have indicated 164 and 165 miles, effectively meaning I've lost nothing meaningful. Even by the standard of the Leafs that is remarkable.

It never had any service or garage attention until this year, but since it had a recall notice which I'd ignored for years since it was for an aspect of cruise control which I never used, I finally booked a service. This uncovered that it had also missed six, not compulsory, recall battery checks, a total of four hours work needed, all the recall work being no charge to me. A benefit was that this confirmed how good the condition of the battery is.

I put the battery performance down to the charging routines I established from the outset:

Virtually total avoidance of Rapid and Ultra Rapid chargers, easy since I bought a car with sufficient range to cover all my intended journeys. In fact its only been connecte to a rapid charger twice with just one of them a full 80% charge to check how these performed, that in the car's second year.

Charging in the warmer half of the year, when dropped below 40% charge, alternating between the normal 6.6kW charger and 2.1 kW slow charger (13amp socket) every other charge, both ready for use at all times in my garage.

Charging in the colder half of the year when temperatures below 10 degrees C and battery dropped below 50% charge, being only with the slow charger. This only takes 10 hours so easily done overnight.

Clearly my charging regime has paid off handsomely, this battery will last me for life, given that I'm within days of my 89th birthday.

Turning now to the service and recall, I booked that with my South London Nissan dealer. At 9 am on the appointed day a driver turned up and left a Nissan Micra at my home when he drove my car away. At 4 pm the dealer rang me to check if I would be in to bring the car back and the same driver brought it back. It had all the work done and had been washed, leathered and valeted internally, Accompanying it was a beautifully itemised list of all the work done, including the measured wear proportions of front and rear brake disc pads, and of course the MOT pass certificate.

The total charge a very reasonable £246, not bad being the only service cost in seven and a half years motoring!

On learning this a friend with a Honda Civic looked unhappy. He'd had to take that in for service and the bill when he collected it was almost £700.

No doubting the benefit of electric car ownership when due care is taken to buy the right EV for the job in the first place!
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Now well into its eighth year
Is it that long? 8 years?
I remember you started the debate about EVs on here.
I discussed EVs with my wife now and then. She knows I wanted to buy an ev. Her objections went from it's expensive, few garages would know how to service it if outside the main dealer, expensive replacement batteries, insufficient range for our needs, fire risks leading to high insurance premium. She is now happy for our next car to be electric.
 
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