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Ok. I know this is from the Sun, but they must have got it from somewhere... Oh dear! it was the Times!
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/10818140/boris-johnson-brexit-trade-deal/
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BOJO'S BOUNTY Boris Johnson ‘will threaten the US and EU with sky high tariffs to speed up post-Brexit trade deals’
BORIS Johnson plans to threaten the US and EU with high tariffs to speed up post-Brexit trade deals.

The Prime Minister is discussing plans with the Cabinet to use tariffs on goods as "leverage" in trade negotiations this week.
It means some goods - such as French cheese and German cars - could see sky-high hikes of up to 30 per cent, The Times reports.

Boris hopes the move will pile pressure on the EU to agree to a quota-free trade agreement without forcing the UK to follow Brussels' rules.

In the EU Exit Strategy (XS) Committee meeting held on Thursday, ministers agreed the tariffs should be put out for consultation.

These Johnson's loony party members are a danger to us all
 
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I thought the 1800 a horrible car. There was one in a 140 strong mixed model company fleet that I tried a few times but couldn't get to like it. Its wide low Mini like stance just seemed weird in a car that size and it looked odd. I don't think upsizing a successful design works, the Mini was fine, but when upsized to the 1100/1300 it didn't work anything like as well. Trying again to the big 1800, it just got worse.

The Australians had a 2200 six cylinder engine shoehorned into the 1800, and this was later introduced here. Never tried one but I doubt it helped to improve it.
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I rather liked mine with the exception of two things
  1. It was a rot box
  2. It lacked power steering and a huge steering wheel didn't make up for the lack!
 
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Ok. I know this is from the Sun, but they must have got it from somewhere... Oh dear! it was the Times!
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/10818140/boris-johnson-brexit-trade-deal/
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BOJO'S BOUNTY Boris Johnson ‘will threaten the US and EU with sky high tariffs to speed up post-Brexit trade deals’
BORIS Johnson plans to threaten the US and EU with high tariffs to speed up post-Brexit trade deals.

The Prime Minister is discussing plans with the Cabinet to use tariffs on goods as "leverage" in trade negotiations this week.
It means some goods - such as French cheese and German cars - could see sky-high hikes of up to 30 per cent, The Times reports.

Boris hopes the move will pile pressure on the EU to agree to a quota-free trade agreement without forcing the UK to follow Brussels' rules.

In the EU Exit Strategy (XS) Committee meeting held on Thursday, ministers agreed the tariffs should be put out for consultation.

These Johnson's loony party members are a danger to us all
Who said "Trade wars are good and easy to win"?

Can they both be right and win?
 

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We seem to have lots of people employed as management consultants, talent delivery officers or educational nourishment secretaries, and many similar sounding posts. Perhaps we could start selling these services around the world? I’m sure someone would want a 22 year old freshly graduated Management Consultant, who’s never managed anything, to advise them on how to manage their business. What’s not to like?
There has been a massive increase in Equality and Diversity Managers in recent years. This is obviously a growing sector. We might be able to sell their services in China, Africa and India. I'm sure that would create at least as many jobs as the few hundred lost jobs that OG mentions.

George Soros has just pledged a billion dollars to fund activism in universities, so that will probably create a lot of extra jobs. One could argue that Brexit and Boris are part of the reason that he's done that, so some people are going to prosper as a result.

The problem with OG is that he only ever sees negative things. For every group of people that unfortunately lose their jobs, there are another group that can prosper from new jobs created somewhere else. At the moment, unemployment in UK is the lowest its been since the 70s, so we must assume that more jobs are being created than lost.

Hearts go out to employees of the Huffington Post, the Guardian, BBC, CNN, and other left wing media , who are having to lay off a lot of workers because of loss of popularity of their product.
 

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There has been a massive increase in Equality and Diversity Managers in recent years. This is obviously a growing sector. We might be able to sell their services in China, Africa and India. I'm sure that would create at least as many jobs as the few hundred lost jobs that OG mentions.

George Soros has just pledged a billion dollars to fund activism in universities, so that will probably create a lot of extra jobs. One could argue that Brexit and Boris are part of the reason that he's done that, so some people are going to prosper as a result.

The problem with OG is that he only ever sees negative things. For every group of people that unfortunately lose their jobs, there are another group that can prosper from new jobs created somewhere else. At the moment, unemployment in UK is the lowest its been since the 70s, so we must assume that more jobs are being created than lost.

Hearts go out to employees of the Huffington Post, the Guardian, BBC, CNN, and other left wing media , who are having to lay off a lot of workers because of loss of popularity of their product.
I have to agree that OG can have a tendency to focus on the negative.

However, many of the new jobs you mention are poor quality jobs, zero hours, no sick pay, no holiday pay. A lady delivered something from Amazon to my house on a dark Sunday evening a few weeks ago. She had a small child with her of about 4 years old. She should have been at home spending quality time with that kid, not delivering Amazon stuff. Those aren’t good jobs to have.
 
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There seems to be a big shake-up going on at the BBC. I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure that it has something to do with the bias they showed during Brexit and the election. Their news department seems to be more affected than the rest, but most important was the Director General "stepping down".

I heard that the BBC was voted the least trusted news channel out of all the European national channels. On Trustpilot 91% of the 5000 reviews voted it as "bad", compared with only 90% for CNN and 73% ITV. Fake news, indoctrination and bias seem to be the most common complaints. I have witnessed first hand how they attended an event with a reporter and cameraman recording it, and then bent the truth and reported it in a way that was completely the opposite of what happened. Interestingly, they didn't attend other events in the same series, so my guess is that what happened at that event was that what kicked off was organised and constructed, and the BBC were tipped off. Unfortunately, it didn't go the way they planned, which is why they had to bend the story.

In his leaving speech, Tony hall said,

“In an era of fake news, we remain the gold standard of impartiality and truth. What the BBC is, and what it stands for, is precious for this country. We ignore that at our peril.

I think he ignored it and suffered the peril!
 
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I think he ignored it and suffered the peril!
programs presented by remainers are being cut at the moment, such as Victoria Derbyshire.
Showing support for the EU is seen as 'unpatriotic', thus guilty of bias.
that's clearly the work of some zealot seeking to please the master of the day.
 

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I have to agree that OG can have a tendency to focus on the negative.

However, many of the new jobs you mention are poor quality jobs, zero hours, no sick pay, no holiday pay. A lady delivered something from Amazon to my house on a dark Sunday evening. She had a small child with her of about 4 years old. She should have been at home spending quality time with that kid, not delivering Amazon stuff. Those aren’t good jobs to have.
There have always been poor quality jobs. I myself have have done jobs with much worse conditions, less security and lower pay. Thankfully, I didn't have to do those jobs for too long (about 2 years total). Would you rather be a coal miner or an Amazon deliverer?

I can remember in the '70s when my sister did repairs for the local Sketchleys (dry cleaners). It was things like invisible repairs to tears and zip replacements. She got something like the equivalent of £1 an hour doing the repairs at home while she watched TV. She needed the money to supplement her day-job pay to provide for her two kids

Unfortunately, that's life, but at least people get help to keep them above a minimum level and in a capitalistic society, everyone gets a chance to succeed if they choose the right path. Luckily, as well as jobs with poor conditions, there are always jobs with decent conditions. There are lucky and unlucky people when it comes to opportunities and circumstances, but, unfortunately, that's what happens when you have a capitalist system. They tried different systems in eastern Europe and Venezuela. If you ask anybody that experienced that, you won't hear them say anything good about it.

Thinking about that woman you mentioned. it brings many questions:
Was it her only job?
Did she have a partner?
Was she doing it to get pocket money to spend on her Caribbean holiday?
Did she hate her husband and needed to keep away from him/her.

Just for comparison, I have a friend who lost his job recently. He gets job-seekers allowance or whatever it's called these days. In the evening he delivers for a local chippie and gets a £50 retainer and £2 per delivery - cash in hand. During the day, he does car valeting at £35 a time - cash in hand, and on Wednesday afternoons and Friday evenings, he goes to the car auctions to buy cars to sell on. He tells me he's doing alright.
 

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I rather liked mine with the exception of two things
  1. It was a rot box
  2. It lacked power steering and a huge steering wheel didn't make up for the lack!
Agreed, and both were common on various cars at that time. I still think it looked like an oversize Mini that a giant had trodden on.
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programs presented by remainers are being cut at the moment, such as Victoria Derbyshire.
Showing support for the EU is seen as 'unpatriotic', thus guilty of bias.
that's clearly the work of some zealot seeking to please the master of the day.
This is basically what I'm saying. The BBC are supposed to be unbiased. If, as you say, she showed support for remain, she broke the rules in their charter, and the same for any of the other presenters that expressed or demonstrated a pro-remain bias. It looks like they're all getting dealt with.

There were very many complaints about it, and her programme became unpopular. It's nothing to do with patriotism. On the YouGov poll, it shows a 19% positive opinion and lower views than "The Choir". Her news programme won a BAFTA and other awards. How's that possible, when the views were in continuous decline?

 
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Just for comparison, I have a friend who lost his job recently. He gets job-seekers allowance or whatever it's called these days. In the evening he delivers for a local chippie and gets a £50 retainer and £2 per delivery - cash in hand. During the day, he does car valeting at £35 a time - cash in hand, and on Wednesday afternoons and Friday evenings, he goes to the car auctions to buy cars to sell on. He tells me he's doing alright.
But at risk of criminal prosecution for fraud.
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But at risk of criminal prosecution for fraud.
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Is there anyone left investigating benefit fraud? A friend of mine works on our local council fraud investigation unit. She used to work in a team of six, she’s on her own now, they aren’t replacing people who leave / retire. I’d say vfr400’s acquaintance is on safe ground cheating the benefits system. Unless he’s very stupid or overly greedy, he’s very unlikely to get caught, no one is looking.
 

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Is there anyone left investigating benefit fraud? A friend of mine works on our local council fraud investigation unit. She used to work in a team of six, she’s on her own now, they aren’t replacing people who leave / retire. I’d say vfr400’s acquaintance is on safe ground cheating the benefits system. Unless he’s very stupid or overly greedy, he’s very unlikely to get caught, no one is looking.
Yes the local councils teams are greatly reduced by budget cuts, but the national investigators working in the DWP have been increased through recent years.

I get the impression that they prefer to make example prosecutions in areas, rather than going for numbers.
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But at risk of criminal prosecution for fraud.
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Yes, it leaves me fighting my concience. I often think whether I should report him. He doesn't have any kids. He has a partner who works for a care company, and she gets worse conditions than the amazon workers. Also, he's had a bad time recenly. As well as losing his job, he lost his father (was a forum member) recently after he bled to death unattended in the local hospital. He was admitted after a fairly major unexpected bleed. They tucked him up in a bed, then forgot about him.
 
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There have always been poor quality jobs. I myself have have done jobs with much worse conditions, less security and lower pay. Thankfully, I didn't have to do those jobs for too long (about 2 years total). Would you rather be a coal miner or an Amazon deliverer?

I can remember in the '70s when my sister did repairs for the local Sketchleys (dry cleaners). It was things like invisible repairs to tears and zip replacements. She got something like the equivalent of £1 an hour doing the repairs at home while she watched TV. She needed the money to supplement her day-job pay to provide for her two kids

Unfortunately, that's life, but at least people get help to keep them above a minimum level and in a capitalistic society, everyone gets a chance to succeed if they choose the right path. Luckily, as well as jobs with poor conditions, there are always jobs with decent conditions. There are lucky and unlucky people when it comes to opportunities and circumstances, but, unfortunately, that's what happens when you have a capitalist system. They tried different systems in eastern Europe and Venezuela. If you ask anybody that experienced that, you won't hear them say anything good about it.

Thinking about that woman you mentioned. it brings many questions:
Was it her only job?
Did she have a partner?
Was she doing it to get pocket money to spend on her Caribbean holiday?
Did she hate her husband and needed to keep away from him/her.

Just for comparison, I have a friend who lost his job recently. He gets job-seekers allowance or whatever it's called these days. In the evening he delivers for a local chippie and gets a £50 retainer and £2 per delivery - cash in hand. During the day, he does car valeting at £35 a time - cash in hand, and on Wednesday afternoons and Friday evenings, he goes to the car auctions to buy cars to sell on. He tells me he's doing alright.
"They tried different systems in eastern Europe and Venezuela. If you ask anybody that experienced that, you won't ".. Not so. One of my colleagues, had previously been a professor of Computing in East Berlin. He and his wife were actually quite satisfied with the life that Socialism had given them,and had very disparaging comments regarding their treatment subsequently... It took a bit of confidence building before they were prepared to divulge that. Now they did not like the STASI.
 
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Yes, it leaves me fighting my concience. I often think whether I should report him.
My post was only about the risk to him. I've got friends who've been drawing benefits while working or earning in various concealed ways for very many years.

One has been in that situation for almost 30 years. He has an older brother who left school at 16, is now 58, has never had an official job in his life or ever paid a penny in tax.

But I would never dream of reporting them, it's nothing to do with me and not my responsibility. It's a matter for the authorities, local, DWP and HMRC whose job it is.

Of course they don't do that job very well, but I'd no sooner volunteer to take on their job than do all the other things done badly here, such as sweeping the streets, emptying the bins or mending potholes.
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"They tried different systems in eastern Europe and Venezuela. If you ask anybody that experienced that, you won't ".. Not so. One of my colleagues, had previously been a professor of Computing in East Berlin. He and his wife were actually quite satisfied with the life that Socialism had given them,and had very disparaging comments regarding their treatment subsequently... It took a bit of confidence building before they were prepared to divulge that. Now they did not like the STASI.
Indeed, many former East Germans have been far from happy with reunification. And then there's Russia where a third of the population wish they were still in the USSR's communist system which had many benefits for everyone.
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"They tried different systems in eastern Europe and Venezuela. If you ask anybody that experienced that, you won't ".. Not so. One of my colleagues, had previously been a professor of Computing in East Berlin. He and his wife were actually quite satisfied with the life that Socialism had given them,and had very disparaging comments regarding their treatment subsequently... It took a bit of confidence building before they were prepared to divulge that. Now they did not like the STASI.
Yes, I think we can be pretty sure that some guys are doing very well in Venezuela, like the guys working in the passport dept, but this guy doesn' seem too happy:
 

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How's that possible, when the views were in continuous decline?
viewers may be turned off from those programs presented by remainers because they don't feel their views are taken on (and also programs presented by leavers too such as Andrew Neil's), causing their decline.
However, you can see in that same report that Channel 4 News gains in popularity.
My tentative explanation is the profile of BBC viewers: mostly older Radio 4 listeners, mostly leavers whereas Channel 4 viewers are younger.
The BBC needs to evolve - people watch what they want and when then want on youtube and netflix.
 

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