Brexit, for once some facts.

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The Comedy continues in the Daily Express
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1233450/brexit-news-boris-johnson-deal-european-union-uk-us-trade-deal-latest-donald-trump
Boris Johnson’s huge post-Brexit plan as PM vows Britain will become ‘global trailblazer’
BRITAIN will become a "global trailblazer" after we finally leave the European Union on Friday, says Boris Johnson.
In a sign that relying on the European Union is firmly in the past, advertising will centre on 13 non-EU countries. Rolling out on February 1, there will be a digital marketing strategy aimed at priority markets in Australia, Brazil, Canada, China (including Hong Kong), India, Japan, Mexico, Singapore, South Africa, South Korea, Turkey, the UAE and the USA.

It follows revelations that talks on an EU trade deal will not be prioritised and that parallel discussions for lucrative trade deals will happen with the USA, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. "

Just a couple of snags
  1. Without a trade deal with the EU no one is interested in one with us
  2. We only have a bunch of rank amateurs to make these deals and nothing to sell they can't get locally
And of course the true elephant in the room.
Had we remained in the EU we would enjoy these deals at no cost to us to make.
That’s the crux of it. What do we have to sell outside of the EU? What is it that we’ve got that countries outside the EU are desperate for? What’s unique which isn’t available elsewhere?

It’s like watching an episode of The Appreciate, when you have cocky, self confident dick-heads making outrageous claims of business acumen, immediately before falling flat on their faces.
 
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Strange for this to be in the Daily Mail
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7930135/Scrapping-HS2-cost-12-BILLION.html
Huge bill revealed as Government-owned firm behind rail project is accused of trying to 'con' Boris Johnson into giving it the green light
  • HS2 Ltd has been accused of revising agreements to cover up additional costs
  • An estimated £9billion has already been spent on the high-speed rail project
  • £3billion in compensations would be incurred even if HS2 scrapped immediately
Scrapping the HS2 would cost £12billion as the Government-owned firm behind the rail project is accused of trying to 'con' Boris Johnson into giving it the green light.

Ministers have warned that abandoning the high-speed rail proposals would cost billions in compensations as well as leaving some of the UK's major construction companies on the brink of financial uncertainty.

And now allegations made by former staff members at the HS2 firm, which is owned by the Department for Transport, claim that additional costs are being covered up. "

Remember this is the government that is going to "Make Britain a Global force"
But can't build a railway in it's own back yard.
 
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In a minute

"At Tory Party conference in 2017, Dr Fox said: "I hear people saying 'oh we won't have any [free trade agreements] before we leave'. Well believe me we'll have up to 40 ready for one second after midnight in March 2019," he told cheering Tory activists."

Meanwhile Crawford Falconer Chief trade negotiator pocketed £380,000 despite string of Brexit deals being 'off track'.

I wonder how recruitment is going Report reveals Foreign Office shortage of trained Brexit trade negotiators - Due to low pay at FO weren't they looking at recruiting from abroad (oh the irony!)

How many 'weirdos' & 'misfits' will be shunted to the trade negotiating frontline
 

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On the subject of railways, nearly missed this in the Daily Mirror
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/northern-rail-renationalised-week-after-21362459

Northern Rail to be renationalised this week after rail chaos for millions
The renationalisation will be ordered by Transport Secretary Grant Shapps - who has said the private firm's performance was 'completely unacceptable'

t will become the second of the national networks 16 rail passenger franchises to be nationalised under the Government-owned “operator of last resort” which is owned outright by the taxpayer.

South Western Railway, which is owned by First Group and Hong Kong firm MTR, has also been described by Mr Shapps as “unsustainable” after making a loss of £137 million last year, and is also on the verge of renationalisation.

It now faces going bust without Government intervention.

The history books claim that we actually invented railways.
I think this is simply untrue, we couldn't possibly do anything that competent and end up like this.

Sorry :rolleyes:
 
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In a minute

"At Tory Party conference in 2017, Dr Fox said: "I hear people saying 'oh we won't have any [free trade agreements] before we leave'. Well believe me we'll have up to 40 ready for one second after midnight in March 2019," he told cheering Tory activists."

Meanwhile Crawford Falconer Chief trade negotiator pocketed £380,000 despite string of Brexit deals being 'off track'.

I wonder how recruitment is going Report reveals Foreign Office shortage of trained Brexit trade negotiators - Due to low pay at FO weren't they looking at recruiting from abroad (oh the irony!)

How many 'weirdos' & 'misfits' will be shunted to the trade negotiating frontline
"How many 'weirdos' & 'misfits' will be shunted to the trade negotiating frontline ?"

Hang on there's someone at the door:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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Pilfered from Planet Vulcan?!?

"Live Long and Prosper: ... The (lesser known) response is "Peace and long life.".



or Thomas Jefferson "Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none."

Or reading between the lines....

"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading."
 

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..This is the Article. While it is in the current ITs output, it was originally published 2 years ago, and this was a development of an article in the European of 2017. So its not new news ...



Brexit is a collective English mental breakdown
English people living on dreams of empire never learned to see others as equals
Tue, Jan 16, 2018, 01:11
Nicholas Boyle
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Not until there is a separate English parliament . . . will the delusions that led the country to Brexit finally be dissipated by contact with reality. Photograph: Stefan Rousseau/PA Wire

Not until there is a separate English parliament . . . will the delusions that led the country to Brexit finally be dissipated by contact with reality. Photograph: Stefan Rousseau/PA Wire


In the White Paper of February 2nd, 2017, introducing the procedures for leaving the European Union, the UK government made an astonishingly frank admission: “Whilst Parliament has remained sovereign throughout our membership of the EU, it has not always felt like that.” In other words, the Leave campaigners’ principal claim, that it was necessary to “take back control” of UK laws, was false, since control had never been lost; and the campaign was based, not on fact, but on what it “felt like” – on illusion, therefore, and emotion.
Why did it ‘feel like that’? Where did the illusions of Leave voters come from? The question Brexit really raises is one not of economics or politics, but of national psychology. And it is not ‘British’ psychology that is at issue, but English. Scotland voted 62 per cent in support of Remain as did 56 per cent of Northern Ireland (and in the Republic support for European Union membership is currently estimated at more than 80 per cent).
The Leave campaign presented the EU as a lethal threat to national identity, indeed as the stranger and enemy that had already stolen it: give us back our country, they said. And to vote against the EU was to vote to recover what we had lost. The voting pattern, however, revealed that appeal to emotion, and that vision of the EU, worked only in England, and that Europhobia was the outcome of a specifically English crisis of identity.
England sank its identity in the unions with Scotland, in 1707, and with Ireland, in 1800, which gave rise respectively to Britain and to the United Kingdom.
Imperially self-sufficient
From then on the English had no need of a separate identity, for as metropolitans – of Britain, of the United Kingdom and eventually of the British empire – they dealt with no one on equal terms. They were masters of the seas, they could travel around the world without setting foot outside imperial territory, and economically the empire was, potentially at least, self-sufficient.

The dismantling by the United States of the British empire, after its finest hour in 1940, was a traumatic blow to the psyche of two English generations, from which they have never recovered, largely because they have never recognised it.

The end of empire meant the end of the English pretension to have and need no national identity of their own. Once they admitted their empire was no more, the English would have to become just another nation like everybody else, with a specific, limited identity, a specific history, neither specially honourable nor specially dishonourable, with limited weight, limited resources, and limited importance in the world, and on the Atlantic archipelago.
That is the terrifying truth that membership of the EU presents to the English and from which for centuries the empire insulated them: that they have to live in the world on an equal footing with other people.
In Ireland, the EU, the essential framework for the Belfast Friday agreement of 1998, appears as the guardian of nationhood, the guarantor of the peaceful coexistence of the island’s two factions: when, at the end of your lane, you cross from the Republic into Tyrone, Fermanagh, or Armagh, it is the EU, not London, that tells you you are still in Ireland.
Similarly, in Scotland, to vote for the EU was to vote for the distinctness of Scotland as a legitimate fellow occupant of the island of Great Britain and for its equality with England as a fellow member, alongside Germany and Malta, France and Cyprus, of a larger union than that centred on London.
Only the English could not see the EU in these terms: as the protector of the identity of relatively small nations in a world of conflicting giants. Because only the English could not see themselves as a nation at all.

Haunted
For the English the United Kingdom occupies the psychic space once filled by the empire. Haunted by their unassimilated imperial past, the English continue refusing to think of themselves as a nation in the same sense as Scotland or Ireland and maintain a constitution for their United Kingdom which denies the obvious. Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland all have their variously titled national assemblies, but England has none – not out of modesty, but in order to claim for itself the exceptional position of anonymous master of its now diminutive empire.
The EU challenged England not to give up a national identity, but to acquire one – to give up the illusions embodied in a United Kingdom that never was a nation, but was always a device to conceal England’s colonial relation to the other nations inhabiting Great Britain and Ireland. Instead the EU offered England the opportunity for equal partnership in a common endeavour, which is nowadays all that nationhood can mean.
On June 23rd, 2016, the English rejected that offer and opted to continue living the fiction of splendid isolation that sustained the UK and the British empire before it, and to continue denying the Scots and the Irish a will of their own. Any recovery from this collective mental breakdown will involve treating it in the light of its deep historical causes. Not until there is a separate English parliament, giving England at last the distinctive political identity it has shunned for 300 years, will the delusions that led the country to Brexit finally be dissipated by contact with reality. Perhaps then, with their psychosis healed, the English will apply to rejoin the EU.
Nicholas Boyle is Emeritus Schröder Professor of German at the University of Cambridge
Excellent article. Below is one small error:

England sank its identity in the unions with Scotland, in 1707, and with Ireland, in 1800, which gave rise respectively to Britain and to the United Kingdom.
Britain existed very long before the union with Scotland, even more so after King Henry the Eighth declared Wales a principality of England, making Britain a federation of two nations. The Union with Scotland created Great Britain, the word Great added to indicate the larger area, though the English ever since have wrongly thought it refers to status.

The article's references to the separateness of London are aposite. London has in effect long been a separate country from England and widely seen that way. Our boroughs are like counties in a country, and in the LCC and later the GLC they've long had an authority ruling over them like an elected parliament. In the London Mayor with all his powers we have a prime ministerial like figure guiding.

And of course we have a strong identity and pride as Londoners, not only those like me born here but all those we willingly accept moving here. They of course include ourselves, since the famous London Cockneys and even the equally famous cabbies are largely born out of European immigrants, many in the early years of the 20th century. They didn't invent Cockney but certainly adopted it and took it over. My own London Italian family is an example from that time, my four grandparents being two Italians, one English and one Scottish, but all of us Londoners.

In effect London is, and long has been, a microcosm of the USA, built from immigration from everywhere in the world, including the rest of the British Isles. Probably at least in part the secret of its success.
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The history books claim that we actually invented railways.
I think this is simply untrue, we couldn't possibly do anything that competent and end up like this.
We did, the earliest being as far ago as 1560, but railways as we'd recognise them really commenced in the 1840s.

But they've always been a failure since then, and our modern troubles with them are entirely due to governments failing to recognise that and insisting they should be profitable.

From the 1840s on, the many early companies were going broke or changed hands before the end of that century and when we reached the start of WW1 in 1914, the government nationalised them since they were so essential to the war effort.

Nationalisation revealed many benefits of the integration and there were strong calls to keep them state owned after the war which the government resisted. Accordingly in 1923 the railways were almost all privatised into the big four, GWR, LMS, LNER and Southern, which then proceeded to progressively fail.

By 1947 the four companies effectively held a pistol the to governments head, saying they could no longer go on losing money, so British Rail was formed to re-nationalise them.

Contrary to popular belief, British Rail was much more successful and for a while actually did the seemingly impossible by showing a profit in the 1940s and '50s, but the growth of car ownership then killed that success.

And once again the same old mistake was made with the appointment of Dr Beeching with a brief to cut out the loss making parts, the government not realising that all railways are intrinsically loss making so need subsidies.

That led to the 1990s and the re-privatising of rail with again the false premise that they could make money. They can't, they never have and never will.

Today the outcome is that the state subsidy to our railway is IN REAL TERMS three times the subsidy that British Rail ever received.

It's not as if these private rail companies are any better than British Rail was, as we know from the recent timetable debacle when many of our trains weren't just late, they disappeared from the schedule causing chaos. If British Rail had received the huge level of subsidies these private companies get, I've no doubt from how they performed when cash starved, the service they'd have given would be far superior to today's.

We need politicians who can recognise that (1) an efficient railways network is essential, and (2) that it has to be subsidised and will not make profits. The conclusion is that we need to re-nationalise the railways and make them a government responsibility.

The rest of the world has long known this and their mostly very highly regarded and super efficient railways are state owned.
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We did, the earliest being as far ago as 1560, but railways as we'd recognise them really commenced in the 1840s.

But they've always been a failure since then, and our modern troubles with them are entirely due to governments failing to recognise that and insisting they should be profitable.

From the 1840s on, the many early companies were going broke or changed hands before the end of that century and when we reached the start of WW1 in 1914, the government nationalised them since they were so essential to the war effort.

Nationalisation revealed many benefits of the integration and there were strong calls to keep them state owned after the war which the government resisted. Accordingly in 1923 the railways were almost all privatised into the big four, GWR, LMS, LNER and Southern, which then proceeded to progressively fail.

By 1947 the four companies effectively held a pistol the to governments head, saying they could no longer go on losing money, so British Rail was formed to re-nationalise them.

Contrary to popular belief, British Rail was much more successful and for a while actually did the seemingly impossible by showing a profit in the 1940s and '50s, but the growth of car ownership then killed that success.

And once again the same old mistake was made with the appointment of Dr Beeching with a brief to cut out the loss making parts, the government not realising that all railways are intrinsically loss making so need subsidies.

That led to the 1990s and the re-privatising of rail with again the false premise that they could make money. They can't, they never have and never will.

Today the outcome is that the state subsidy to our railway is IN REAL TERMS three times the subsidy that British Rail ever received.

It's not as if these private rail companies are any better than British Rail was, as we know from the recent timetable debacle when many of our trains weren't just late, they disappeared from the schedule causing chaos. If British Rail had received the huge level of subsidies these private companies get, I've no doubt from how they performed when cash starved, the service they'd have given would be far superior to today's.

We need politicians who can recognise that (1) an efficient railways network is essential, and (2) that it has to be subsidised and will not make profits. The conclusion is that we need to re-nationalise the railways and make them a government responsibility.

The rest of the world has long known this and their mostly very highly regarded and super efficient railways are state owned.
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British Rail introduced the HS125 (InterCity 125) services, electrified London to Bournemouth, changed over from numerous signal boxes to central control, and numerous other things. At the time, the HS125 manged several records. (There are rumours that HS125 managed over 150 in service - before being limited.)

Sure, they failed to get the APT into service. But that had numerous issues - political and management as well as the technical hurdles.
 
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Sure, they failed to get the APT into service. But that had numerous issues - political and management as well as the technical hurdles.
Indeed, plus being starved of cash as I posted. Today we've paid three times as much subsidy and buy pendolinos from Italy.
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Pro-Brexit Tory minister says it's 'essential' free movement is protected
Tory Brexiteer and culture minister Nigel Adams has backed calls for freedom of movement, at least for musicians, despite the fact his government is planning to take it away.
"Visa rules for artists performing in the EU will not change until the implementation period ends in December 2020. But these are being considered, with other activity, and we welcome the views of [MPs] and the industry in respect of movement within Europe.

"It's absolutely essential that free movement for artists is protected post-2020."

The message is, you don't need a job with a minimum £30 grand, just go down to the local second hand shop and grab a second hand guitar.
And if you have no musical talent buy some bagpipes and if approached by an official just inflate the instrument and make warming up sounds like an animal being mistreated.
Immigration will wave you through.
Despite being a Scot I never fully recovered when my eldest daughter decided to learn to play them
Nothing better for melting a queue or emptying a room, thankfully she moved on to play a clarinet.

I think I shall have bagpipes played at my funeral, with luck there will be some people present who deserve it :cool:
 

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Pro-Brexit Tory minister says it's 'essential' free movement is protected
Tory Brexiteer and culture minister Nigel Adams has backed calls for freedom of movement, at least for musicians, despite the fact his government is planning to take it away.
"Visa rules for artists performing in the EU will not change until the implementation period ends in December 2020. But these are being considered, with other activity, and we welcome the views of [MPs] and the industry in respect of movement within Europe.

"It's absolutely essential that free movement for artists is protected post-2020."

The message is, you don't need a job with a minimum £30 grand, just go down to the local second hand shop and grab a second hand guitar.
And if you have no musical talent buy some bagpipes and if approached by an official just inflate the instrument and make warming up sounds like an animal being mistreated.
Immigration will wave you through.
Despite being a Scot I never fully recovered when my eldest daughter decided to learn to play them
Nothing better for melting a queue or emptying a room, thankfully she moved on to play a clarinet.

I think I shall have bagpipes played at my funeral, with luck there will be some people present who deserve it :cool:
You might have thought that there would be other special interests which need the rules pushed out of the way for them. For example, film makers, journalists, actors...
 

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Pro-Brexit Tory minister says it's 'essential' free movement is protected
Tory Brexiteer and culture minister Nigel Adams has backed calls for freedom of movement, at least for musicians, despite the fact his government is planning to take it away.
"Visa rules for artists performing in the EU will not change until the implementation period ends in December 2020. But these are being considered, with other activity, and we welcome the views of [MPs] and the industry in respect of movement within Europe.

"It's absolutely essential that free movement for artists is protected post-2020."

The message is, you don't need a job with a minimum £30 grand, just go down to the local second hand shop and grab a second hand guitar.
And if you have no musical talent buy some bagpipes and if approached by an official just inflate the instrument and make warming up sounds like an animal being mistreated.
Immigration will wave you through.
Despite being a Scot I never fully recovered when my eldest daughter decided to learn to play them
Nothing better for melting a queue or emptying a room, thankfully she moved on to play a clarinet.

I think I shall have bagpipes played at my funeral, with luck there will be some people present who deserve it :cool:
Oh dear, you'll be telling us next you had vegan haggis the other night.
 

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Yet another example of government incompetence:

UK's smart motorways to be reviewed after huge rise in near-misses
BBC Panorama study shows increase on M25 from 72 to 1,485 in five years since conversion


It always seemed unbelievable that so-called smart motorways could be as safe. That they actually converted 200 miles before standing back and counting incidents/deaths is all too believable, sadly.

I was never happy driving on them.

Wonder how much it will cost to make them as safe as they were... ?
 

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Bizarrely, I have a vegan haggis recipe - all invented by me, many years ago. :)

It is, in my view, nicer than haggis made of pluck. But that isn't difficult...

And it should have been last night, n'est pas?
Not really appropriate , I can think of nicer things!
Skirlee or Kedgeree for instance
(though only eat kedgeree in a well ventilated room!) :oops:
 
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