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the cables in the floor cant handle all electric cars which i said years ago as the cables cant take the load so the hole lot needs replacing buy 2035 not going to happen.

its all about making more money and price the middle class of the road so buy a horse :p
the average car driver does 7000 miles a year. Efficient cars like teslas can do 4 miles per kwh. That works out 2000kwh per driver per annum, mostly at cheaper hours. It's doable.
 
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yet if you watch the video he got a tesla on a public charger and it cost more than 2 times the cost of petrol for the same mileage.

even if everyone had a electric car and charger at home everything would have to be replaced let alone the power plants to support it.

then you got all the heat pumps its not going to happen and 6k electric bills for a poxy 2 bed house lol.
 
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the cables in the floor cant handle all electric cars which i said years ago as the cables cant take the load so the hole lot needs replacing buy 2035 not going to happen.
Nonsense, when will you learn.

Most charging takes place overnight when dermand is low and there's plenty of capacity.

And 2035 is when we have to stop buying IC cars, not when all cars are electric. That won't happen until well over 20 years later, between 2055 and 2060.
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our house is off the road so cant have a charger and even if we could the cable in the floor can only support 1.

and income tax pays for the electric anyway and have proven you dont have to pay it what if everyone did that pmsl.

and buy 2035 no one will be buying any car same as houses let alone afford the electric.
 

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our house is off the road so cant have a charger and even if we could the cable in the floor can only support 1.

and income tax pays for the electric anyway and have proven you dont have to pay it what if everyone did that pmsl.

and buy 2035 no one will be buying any car same as houses let alone afford the electric.
Buy a pre 2017 model s (public charging at tesla superchargers are free for these for life, I kid you not, but it has poor reliability and isn't exactly stealth for a county line drug run)
 

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EUSSR "Democracy Shield MEDIA Kontrol fűr Edukashun", jawohl Urzula :)
https://youtube.com/shorts/SX4bDKFyPTw?si=CoWE7OuA8fzOizfD
Here is an exposé from Marx to Sorel, to Mussolini. I would extend that to MAGA, and now Farage tries the same myth of the nation. Mussolini once said 'I don't feel Italian, I feel desperately Italian'.
When you replace education with the emotional energy of the crowd, you throw away your ability to think.

 

Tony1951

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Following the appalling events of WW2. Winston Churchill decided that a Human Rights law was desirable and appointed British politician and lawyer Sir David Maxwell-Fyfe to produce one. Trouble was that no UK government was prepared to adopt it. Long afterwards the EU also had the same idea and cast around for examples. Happening upon our draft they were duly impressed with its excellence and largely adopted it unaltered, to this day crediting Sir David.

Ironically that led to the UK having to adopt it when Winston’s fellow Tory politician, Edward Heath, decided we should join the European project, the biter bitten and only ourselves to blame!

Your attempt to portray the UK as not needing a human rights act is ridiculous, considering our very long history of violent and abusive treatment of peoples all over the world, including in our own British Isles, Ireland for an appalling example.

We need one as much any other nation and the excellent largely British produced ECHR is ideal for the job, especially since it includes monitoring of our behaviour by others, already shown to be necessary in 2003.
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I didn't say anywhere that we didn't need human rights law. We already had human rights law, a very long time before the 1998 act. I made it perfectly clear that we have had it for generations, while most of Europe was under fascist or communist, murderous dictatorship.

I objected to the imposition of instructions for our government to follow the judgements of a court in a foreign jurisdiction, on particular and strange cases, such as prohibition of the deportation of foreign born murderers, rapists and child abusers, because they had family in the UK. That is insane and an outrage to our sovereignty.

Especially ridiculous considering our history of respect for human rights to be overruled by a European court. A large number of the 47 countries signed up to the court have a history of massive human rights abuse if you look back not many decades.
 

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Here is an exposé from Marx to Sorel, to Mussolini. I would extend that to MAGA, and now Farage tries the same myth of the nation. Mussolini once said 'I don't feel Italian, I feel desperately Italian'.
When you replace education with the emotional energy of the crowd, you throw away your ability to think.

STUPID, Stupid comparison.

Italian fascism from its very beginning, just like Nazism was founded on state promoted violence and oppression of opposition parties. Mussolini set up gangs of thugs to go around murdering opponents. This is a characteristic which separates fascism from the democratic right.

You ought to know better than that.

Fascism, of which there was plenty in Europe, was always characterised by the following:

One party rule - opposition parties outlawed
Violent oppression of other political views
Imprisonment of opponents
State control of industry and the economy
Violent militia activity promoted by the state
Militarism

These characteristics are entirely missing in the democratic right.

Your comparison of the democratic right and fascism, based on the fact that people here desire to preserve the sovereignty and historical character of our nation, is as stupid as it would be to say that Farage is a man and so is Mussolini, so we must fear that they are the same.

Farage's great beef with the EU was that it was anti-democratic - it sucked away power and control from the people. It still does so.
 
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Tony1951

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The abuse of our asylum rules is absolutely unravelling.



I have my French niece staying with me right now. We have been ebiking, walking and exploring the remoter parts of Northumberland.

We spoke yesterday about what I described as the outrageous claim that people from Africa and the Middle East need to escape from France to come here by a dangerous criminal process and she laughed at the idea that it was necessary or even proper at all.

'It's a joke', she said. 'They are perfectly safe in France or anywhere in Europe, but they are a nuisance, camping around Calais and the ports so the government are happy when they leave.'

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Tony1951

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Here is an exposé from Marx to Sorel, to Mussolini. I would extend that to MAGA, and now Farage tries the same myth of the nation. Mussolini once said 'I don't feel Italian, I feel desperately Italian'.
When you replace education with the emotional energy of the crowd, you throw away your ability to think.

Fk me!

Within42 seconds, the presenter makes his first statement about fascism. It is grotesquely false. An absolute error of fact.


"To date there have only been two governments which have uncontroversially, remotely been considered as fascist. And those are the governments of Germany and Italy between WW1 and WW2.'

ROFLMAO - WHAT?????

How about:




Don't post ill thought out videos stuffed with errors and expect to win an argument.
 

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Within42 seconds, the presenter makes his first statement about fascism. It is grotesquely false. An absolute error of fact.
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Don't post ill thought out videos stuffed with errors and expect to win an argument.
His exposé is an academic work, not the usual opinion pieces you see on youtube.
He tried to see how fascism came about, phisosophically, throughout history, from the 1800s through to present day. He started with Marx and Engels, the struggle of the classes, Gustave Le Bon on the sociology of the crowd, bolshevism then patiotism of Mussolini, the totalitarism of Hitler, Leninism, stalinism and Maoism.
It's just a distillation of the following books:

This is the bibliography:
The Crowd: Gustave Le Bon
Reflections On Violence: Georges Sorel
Fascism: Roger Griffin
My Autobiography: Benito Mussolini
The Political And Social Doctrine Of Fascism: Benito Mussolini
The Origins And Doctrine Of Fascism: Giovanni Gentile
Selections From What Is Fascism: Giovanni Gentile
Mein Kampf: Adolf Hitler
Marxism, Fascism & Totalitarianism: A. James Gregor
Mussolini And The Eclipse Of Italian Fascism: R. J. B. Bosworth
The Philosophy Of History: Georg Hegel
The Anatomy Of Fascism: Robert O. Paxton
The Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich: William Shirer
The Third Reich: A History Of Nazi Germany: Thomas Childers
The Righteous Mind: Jonathan Haidt
The Communist Manifesto: Karl Marx
The Open Society And Its Enemies: Karl Popper

Take another look if you want to discuss about what is fascism.
 
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