Brexit, for once some facts.

Tony1951

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You can't stop them unless you stop our lifeboats picking them up for starters. We also owe them due process. You can't just break our laws when it comes to treatment of illegal migrants. Farage's solution is simplistic and can't work. That's why it's dangerous. ChatGPT made the case very clearly and I don't think it's been programmed to make Farage look bad.
Uk politicians have already discussed with the navy how they could patrol the Channel and turn boats back. All we need is to order them to do it. The RNLI has thrown away its reputation by becoming a taxi service for law breaking migrants. They are bandits, whose first act on landing is to commit an offence against the 1971 Immigration Act - and another - I think made in 2023. They CHOOSE to do this. They need fear nothing in France. I refuse to support the RNLI any longer because of their actions. Those people deliberately set out to break into our country and the life boat men aid and abet them in the face of strong public disapproval. YOU are not typical. You seem delighted that they come and you care nothing for the people they end up competing with for housing, public services and everything else. Low economic value migration should be completely stopped and the vast majority of boat arrival people are VERY MUCH in that category.
 

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Farage may get to be the next PM if enough people believe that his plan will work. I don't think it will be the case. People have been misled by brexit, they believed in promises like new trade deals will be the easiest things in the world especially with the USA, and we'll kick all the foreign boats out of our EEZ, etc.
Oh - you're making election predictions again. What does that remind me of - err - let me think...

Oh yes -


Read that post. Then read the whole page and one either side and then go away quietly and stop trying to predict the future. The problem isn't that you make a mistake now and then - we all do that. The problem is that you persistently delude yourself, ignore inconvenient facts, wrongly weight evidence and arguments, and consistently come to ridiculous conclusions.

You have to differentiate between what you 'would like to be the case', from, 'what is actually the case', and you seem never to do that about politics if it doesn't suit the position you already came in with. For this reason it is pointless writing anything at length in response to your posts , because you entirely ignore everything you don't like the look of.
 

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Oh - you're making election predictions again. What does that remind me of - err - let me think...

Oh yes -


Read that post. Then read the whole page and one either side and then go away quietly and stop trying to predict the future. The problem isn't that you make a mistake now and then - we all do that. The problem is that you persistently delude yourself, ignore inconvenient facts, wrongly weight evidence and arguments, and consistently come to ridiculous conclusions.

You have to differentiate between what you 'would like to be the case', from, 'what is actually the case', and you seem never to do that about politics if it doesn't suit the position you already came in with. For this reason it is pointless writing anything at length in response to your posts , because you entirely ignore everything you don't like the look of.
History will explain why Trump won and Harris lost. I am a rational optimist!
 

Tony1951

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History will explain why Trump won and Harris lost. I am a rational optimist!
Well I explained it to you several times, four months beforehand, but you wouldn't listen or even seriously consider the arguments.

In some ways the same kind of hubris was at play in the Democrat party as we see in the major parties here. They treated the common man and woman as if they were fools - and they aren't.

Those ordinary people could see that Biden was knackered and stumbling around. They knew he couldn't stay awake at important meetings and engagements and that he frequently made ridiculous mistakes when speaking or addressing important people. They knew he was being managed, but what did the politicians do? They kept on saying to the public when these matters came up that Biden was as sharp as a tack.

Then we saw the first big debate and Biden was seen to be senile. He started mumbling random words and rubbish and Trump made that remark about not knowing what Biden had said, and that Biden didn't look like he knew what he said either.

Then they still kept Biden in play for weeks after that, constantly saying he was great and he just had a virus. EVERYONE KNEW THEY WERE TAKING THEM FOR FOOLS.

People don't like that, just as in the UK the people of Kent are plastering their flag all over the bridges. It is the people doing it - not billionaires manipulating the crowds behind the scenes as you said.

You are like the democrats braying on about Biden being as sharp as a tack when you won't accept the plain facts. People are sick of being ignored and they aren't having it any more. They are not misled - they are angry. They weren't misled over BREXIT either. People knew who Boris was. They knew he would say anything but his prayers and was a practised liar. They voted for BREXIT because like me they were tired of seeing their country insulted by foreign politicians putting down the people they had sent to represent them.
 
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You are like the democrats braying on about Biden being as sharp as a tack when you won't accept the plain facts.
I never said that about Biden. Harris is a better candidate than Trump. That's a fact, as shown on their debate.
Harris lost because elections are often not rational.
 

Tony1951

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I never said that about Biden. Harris is a better candidate than Trump. That's a fact, as shown on their debate.
Harris lost because elections are often not rational.
If that was so, why was I able to tell you four months in advance that Harris would lose? It wasn't a guess. It was entirely predictable if you just analysed the data and looked at the candidates and what had been done by the Democratic party. I knew she would lose and I told you repeatedly, but you would not / could not accept it.

Keep telling yourself that the people were misled, when you are wrong. Keep telling yourself the electors are irrational. Probably helps maintain your delusional world view.
 

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