Brexit, for once some facts.

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Some truths in that, but heavily dependant on your idealism which won't all happen.

And you've completely left out the most important element, Russia and it's huge cheap resources including cheap energy for Europe. Why do you miss the obvious?
Oil has been relatively cheap, you can verify that. The last peak last less than 4 months, from the start of the Ukraine war until June 2020. Since August 2020, it has returned to 2021 average price. Russian oil went to China and India. What China and India didn't buy from the Gulf states, Europe bought more. Oil has not been a powerful factor in the war after all. Blocking Suez, Panama canals or the Hormuz strait would be more consequential.

I correctly forecast the Ukraine war start and its course and what Russia was aiming to gain and did. I correctly forecast a year ago that the West would soon be talking to Putin again and that soon we'll be trading with Russia because we in Europe desperately need to for cheaper energy. It's taken Trump to start that now, but it would have happened anyway before long as the population's pain bit deeper.

The world will care for oil and gas for decades yet, all the green gains by the richer being cancelled as the third world take their places in the fossil fuel queue we are still in at present.
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I reckon the West has always been keeping in touch with Putin, if it's not public. The truth is Europe has always been fearful of Russia because she does not see democracy in the same way we do. Russia is an empire, just ask the Mongolians, Chechens etc, and has been ruled by strong men for most of the years since the last Tsar. That and the number of nuclear warheads she has, enough for extinction level of the human race. I think Europe can cope with a conventional Russian invasion like the Ukraine war but still needs the USA to provide us with a second layer nuclear umbrella as last resort. We don't really need US troops on the ground. We have enough industrial base to outlast Russia.
 
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I think Europe can cope with a conventional Russian invasion like the Ukraine war
No question of that in theory as Ukraine alone has caused Russia so much trouble, but does Europe have the will? I say it doesn't since the people have had enough suffering from the Ukraine war alone and won't accept more.

Today's young are very different from the "sheep" we had in 1914 and 1939 and wont be enthusiastically and willingly volunteering. Polling has shown 38% will point blank refuse to fight, 30% even in the face of the threat of imminent invasion.

They know as I do that wars are pointless and unnecessary, caused by idiots like Zelenskyy, being stupid enough to try to shout down the President of the United States for example.

They know that their refusal to fight means no war since our "brave" leaders certainly won't. They leave fighting to the cannon fodder who are expendable.

All academic anyway, the Ukraine war will stop shortly with or without Zelenskyy's or if necessary Europe's agreement. When the Ukrainians see what they've lost at huge cost, hopefully they'll at last come to their senses and get rid of Zelenskyy and his ilk.
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rightly so. Vance is a lawyer, he is in full control of what he said.
Nevermind how many times Zelinsky thanks the USA in the past and in the present, Vance will still calls Zelinsky ungrateful because that's his strategy. Zelinsky has no card to play as far as Trump is concerned. All he can do is to continue to fight. Still, don't think Trump has all the cards. Trump has shown the whole world on camera what kind of person he is. Totally unfit to be the Supreme Commander of the free world. Putin also has problems on his own side. His spiel so far is NATO and the USA attack us. He now offers Trump a special deal, inviting US businesses to come to Russia. Both Russian people and Americans won't understand anymore who their enemies are and will start smelling a rat somewhere.
Western leaders have nearly unanimously indicated that they side with Zelinsky and can help Zelinsky to continue his fight. I am impressed by what Federich Merz has said about it's time Europe should be independent from the USA. Zelinsky can still very much carry on his fight unless Trump orders the CIA to take him out.
 

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EUSSR all bots, operated remotely, just like msm:
"This is an existential threat to our democracy" line, ad nauseum :)
Would you like to see Eire leave the EU and NATO? Switch away from the euro, adopt the dollar or the rouble? Abandon parliamentary democracy for autocracy, hand over power to a Putin or a trump or a vance? Hand over the budget to a musk?
 

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Western leaders have nearly unanimously indicated that they side with Zelinsky and can help Zelinsky to continue his fight. I am impressed by what Federich Merz has said about it's time Europe should be independent from the USA. Zelinsky can still very much carry on his fight unless Trump orders the CIA to take him out.
So you are in favour of the war continuing indefinitely at the cost of countless thousands of more lives with only one of three possible outcomes:

1) It stops because Ukraine runs out of fighters so they lose everything.

2) It stops because Europe reaches the limit of the help they can or will give, so Ukraine loses everything.

3) Europe joins in the fighting, thus declaring war on Russia. That's WW3 with it inevitably becoming nuclear as Russia becomes desperate, with devastating consequences.

Utter madness.

Nevermind how many times Zelinsky thanks the USA in the past and in the present, Vance will still calls Zelinsky ungrateful because that's his strategy. Zelinsky has no card to play as far as Trump is concerned. All he can do is to continue to fight. Still, don't think Trump has all the cards. Trump has shown the whole world on camera what kind of person he is. Totally unfit to be the Supreme Commander of the free world. Putin also has problems on his own side. His spiel so far is NATO and the USA attack us. He now offers Trump a special deal, inviting US businesses to come to Russia.
You really do not understand what is going on! Trump, Vance, Musk, Putin, Zelenskyy, Jinping, Narendra Modi and Friedrich Merz exist because there was an overwhelming need for them at one time. The public are sick of the Bidens, Starmers and all the rest of the moderates because they never have any answers for their worsening situations, only leading them into ever more misery with ever more severe problems. So in their desperation they turn to the extremes, even though their reward for that is often only transient.
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So you are in favour of the war continuing indefinitely at the cost of countless thousands of more lives with only one of three possible outcomes:

1) It stops because Ukraine runs out of fighters so they lose everything.

2) It stops because Europe reaches the limit of the help they can or will give, so Ukraine loses everything.

3) Europe joins in the fighting, thus declaring war on Russia. That's WW3 with it inevitably becoming nuclear as Russia becomes desperate, with devastating consequences.

Utter madness.



You really do not understand what is going on! Trump, Vance, Musk, Putin, Zelenskyy, Jinping, Narendra Modi and Friedrich Merz exist because there was an overwhelming need for them at one time. The public are sick of the Bidens, Starmers and all the rest of the moderates because they never have any answers for their worsening situations, only leading them into ever more misery with ever more severe problems. So in their desperation they turn to the extremes, even though their reward for that is often only transient.
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No. Zelensky legitimately needs Putin to stop. Not just for the moment but for good.
We want to live in a society where the small and weak countries are protected.
All trump offers is a cease fire.
 

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Would you like to see Eire leave the EU and NATO? Switch away from the euro, adopt the dollar or the rouble? Abandon parliamentary democracy for autocracy, hand over power to a Putin or a trump or a vance? Hand over the budget to a musk?
"Countries in Europe that are not members of the European Union include Norway, Switzerland, Iceland, and Liechtenstein, among others. Additionally, several countries are candidates for EU membership, such as Albania, Montenegro, and Serbia."
Look at which countries are in, and which not, see if there's a pattern? :)

Wonder vhy ze AI-bot left out ze UK, hehe, not hard to figure. UK never really left.. Alles still bin ein Starliners!

" 20 states on the continent now using it - Euro).
Interestingly, some states use the Euro as their national currency despite not being part of the supranational group.
(Exceptions from Ein Mark (deutchmark til 2002), interesting..)
Sweden, Poland, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary continue to use their own currencies but will *eventually* be obliged to join.
(Eventually = never, if they're smart?)
*Denmark is the only exception, as it is legally exempt from adopting the Euro after agreeing an opt-out with Brussels.*
(OPT OUT, two wonderful scandinavian words ) :)
 
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No. Zelensky legitimately needs Putin to stop. Not just for the moment but for good.
Putin also needs to stop the war. That has always been in Zelenskyy's power since before the war started, simply by dropping the desire to be Russia's enemy by joining NATO. Zelenskyy even admitted that in his speech three days after the war started by saying, "We might have to agree not to join NATO".

What the hell is wrong with that, agreeing to be a good neighbour in preference to being an enemy for the USA's political purpose?

We want to live in a society where the small and weak countries are protected.
From the USA's and NATO's constant physical attacks, manipulation and financial blackmail, all intended to create international war where it didn't exist, solely for US political dominance.
Such as in Palestine, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Somalia, Iraq, Libya, Georgia and Ukraine, not to even mention numerous other minor countries in the Americas and their Taiwan intentions.

Until their self defence actions against US led NATO encroachment through Georgia and Ukraine, Russia never attacked any other country during the same 76 years.
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"Countries in Europe that are not members of the European Union include Norway, Switzerland, Iceland, and Liechtenstein, among others. Additionally, several countries are candidates for EU membership, such as Albania, Montenegro, and Serbia."
Look at which countries are in, and which not, see if there's a pattern? :)

Wonder vhy ze AI-bot left out ze UK, hehe, not hard to figure. UK never really left.. Alles still bin ein Starliners!

" 20 states on the continent now using it - Euro).
Interestingly, some states use the Euro as their national currency despite not being part of the supranational group.
(Exceptions from Ein Mark (deutchmark til 2002), interesting..)
Sweden, Poland, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary continue to use their own currencies but will *eventually* be obliged to join.
(Eventually = never, if they're smart?)
*Denmark is the only exception, as it is legally exempt from adopting the Euro after agreeing an opt-out with Brussels.*
(OPT OUT, two wonderful scandinavian words ) :)
Your reply seems muddled. You have always been pro brexit, so my question was would you like Eire to exit the EU, a rule-based society, and adopt a similar style of autocracy (absolute power is held by the government) like we see in the current chaotic US administration right now, with Trump and Musk. I am aware of the difference between the EU and Europe. If Eire leaves the EU, it may also be expelled from the Euro. What would it do then for its currency?
 

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Ex-black rock wef-er, reneges on Closed Borders pledge 48hrs after election. Ready to coalesce with SPD who made an election necessary in the first place.
So ein misthaufen! o_O
It will not be the first time that Germany has a 'Groko' (Große Koalition ). Merkel had it. We too had one in the second world war. Europe is going through a difficult and testing time, especially Gertmany, such a coalition is totally justified.
 

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