CANNONDALE, CUBE or KTM ?

Artstu · Feb 7, 2014

On looks alone the KTM does it for me, although the Cube looks neater just above the motor. I don't like Cannondales myself, and it has the older style motor.

Not what you asked I realise, but that's how I'd choose from those three bikes.

jackhandy · Feb 7, 2014

"They claim 190km range"

Totally ignore daft claims like that.

Battery capacity & range is possibly the single most-discussed topic on here & should come up spades if you do a search.

Artstu · Feb 7, 2014

Indeed, I'd say 'range from just 19 miles'

Electrifying Cycles · Feb 7, 2014

Range is dependant on a number of factors: bike/rider weight, how hilly the area is, what assistance level you have the bike in, whether it is winter or summer etc. I ask customers what range they would like and suggest bikes which meet their needs.

I sell KTM bikes but would say that all Bosch powered bikes are similar. Key is to look at the specification and which you like the look of. For me the Cannondale looks a bit overpriced and I would choose 2014 motor (active or performance, 2013 version now known as Classic). Performance provides more torque but tends to be on bikes costing £2500 or more.

You can download info about different Bosch systems here
http://www.bosch-ebike.de/en/service/downloads/downloads.html

Deleted member 4366 · Feb 7, 2014

Don't buy anything without trying a KTM with the Panasonic hub-motor.

According to the mountain climb test, it can go further and climb steeper than the Bosch.

Geebee · Feb 7, 2014

If it was the same report I saw the hill was under 10% incline, I would like to see it repeated at 15% and 20% as any hub with rider assist will climb 10% grade or even without the hub

Not saying it would not still do well just find the higher figures more informative.

KTM Bike Industries UK · Feb 7, 2014

yeah, range is a very arbitrary number thats based on a set of circumstances that aren't really that real world. So any number any brand gives you should be taken with a certain size pinch of salt. It is possible to achieve that range, but its not how shall we say "typical".

But its the first thing every customer asks at any show, so all brands have to have a number thats based on the same criteria.

Deleted member 4366 · Feb 7, 2014

Geebee said:
If it was the same report I saw the hill was under 10% incline, I would like to see it repeated at 15% and 20% as any hub with rider assist will climb 10% grade or even without the hub
Not saying it would not still do well just find the higher figures more informative.

The hill was between 20% and 25% gradient, which is why the Haibike packed up after 19km. The KTM went on for another 10 km after the Haibike packed up.

SRS · Feb 7, 2014

KTM Bike Industries UK said:
It is possible to achieve that range, but its not how shall we say "typical".

190km or 118 miles. Get real, maybe if you put the bike on the train.

Why can't you and other manufactures print real world figures.
I'll buy one of your bikes tomorrow if you can guarantee, I'll get that mileage out of each charge.

Why lie?

RobF · Feb 7, 2014

SRS said:
190km or 118 miles. Get real, maybe if you put the bike on the train.

Why can't you and other manufactures print real world figures.
I'll buy one of your bikes tomorrow if you can guarantee, I'll get that mileage out of each charge.

Why lie?

Hardly a lie, more an opinion - and one I agree with.

In easy conditions - flat, no wind - I reckon the battery on my Rose/Bosch could last 100+ miles on eco setting.

KTM Bike Industries UK · Feb 7, 2014

SRS said:
190km or 118 miles. Get real, maybe if you put the bike on the train.

Why can't you and other manufactures print real world figures.
I'll buy one of your bikes tomorrow if you can guarantee, I'll get that mileage out of each charge.

Why lie?

just to be clear... its not a lie... or even an opinion.

brands like Bosch and KTM are HUGE companies, you can't print stuff like this and just make it up, it has to be provable, and it is.

All I'm saying is of course for your everday rider who has hills and lots of traffic lights etc etc to deal with your unlikely to get that.

but if a range is quoted, it has to be possible. Its not a lie.

Kudoscycles · Feb 7, 2014

We have access to about 30 different bikes including Kudos,KTM ,Haibike and BH. Forget the rubbish about these enormous ranges,ok put it on the Eco setting,put Wiggo in the saddle,make sure the wind is behind you and don't go up any hills and you can get a lot of distance.
But in reality nobody rides their bikes like that,I have customers who put the power on max,use the throttle all the time and are not always in the right gear...they get 15 miles out of a 10 Ah battery,whatever the brand.
The average is changing the power according to the terrain,only using the throttle on take off,putting say 50 per cent rider input and coping with average terrain,the norm is about 3-3.5 miles per Ah.
Expensive crank drives are supposedly more efficient but my experience is that they are no different to the cheaper bikes.
I had a Dutch company opposite my stand in Belgium,they had identical bikes to mine...note not similar,identical they had come out of the same factory. They had an advert saying their 10Ah bike was good for 100 km's,I claimed 30-35 miles from my identical bike.
I made an offer to ride both bikes around the exhibition hall,if their bike covered twice the distance of my bike I would buy the beers for the rest of the week,if not they would buy the beers.
They responded rudely,no confidence these Dutch in their own product!!
Hehe.
KudosDave
www.kudoscycles.com

Kudoscycles · Feb 7, 2014

chris2014 said:
Hi
im looking to buy a new bike and i need your help guys. The bike will be used mostly on the city in the winter but in summer i want to go for camping with it.

i have choose 3 bikes that looks similar to me (i do not know much about bicycles) and what im looking to find is the real km range and the quality of the bikes, from real owners.

So here is the 3 bikes that i like:

KTM MACINA CROSS 10-400 (they claim 190km range)
http://www.ebike-base.de/nc/en/ebike/model/ktm-macina-cross-4.html?tx_sgebikebase_pi1[dealers_sort_by]=52&tx_sgebikebase_pi1[view]=grid

CUBE SUV HYBRID 29
http://www.ebike-base.de/nc/en/ebike/model/cube-suv-hybrid-29.html?tx_sgebikebase_pi1[dealers_sort_by]=16&tx_sgebikebase_pi1[view]=grid

CANNONDALE KINNETO HEADSHOK
http://www.ebike-base.de/nc/en/ebike/model/cannondale-kinneto-headshok.html?tx_sgebikebase_pi1[dealers_sort_by]=105&tx_sgebikebase_pi1[view]=grid

If you own one of them or if you rode one, your opinion would be very appreciated.
Also if you have the knowledge to compare the bike accessories (hubs, rims, tires, brakes etc) will be very helpful for me.

Chris,if you are anywhere near a dealer who has a good selection of many brands then try as many as possible,I guarantee you will buy a bike completely different to your initial choices.
KTM is readily available in the UK,Cannondale and Cube very rare...the Cube rep at Eurobike told me they are not interested in selling e-bikes to the UK !!
If you advise your location I can advise a dealer who has good stocks,a big list on the website does not always reveal good stocks.
At £2k price I think KTM has some nice bikes.
KudosDave
www.kudoscycles.com

Deleted member 4366 · Feb 7, 2014

The motor in my bike's so efficient (Bafang BPM) that I once got 43 miles before I switched it on. If I hadn't switched it on, it might have gone 118 miles before the battery went flat, but in the event it just made it home on it's 10aH 12S lipos to complete about 80 miles on one charge.

You can get 118 miles out of any bike if you pedal hard enough, but what's the point. The idea of an electric bike is to give power to help you padal. If the power lasts 118 miles you aren't getting much help.

SRS · Feb 7, 2014

People buy these bikes with the belief that they can expect upto 118 miles from a charge.

Must be possible as the manufactures says so. BS, I challenge anyone to produce test data thats shows that this is a realistic figure.

Better still, lets have one of the directors step aboard a bike and physically show me.

People like KTM and other major manufacturers know that the any ordinary rider would need to be going downhill in a vacuum to achive this sort of figure.

If it is not a lie, its a blantant attempt to mislead consumers and to me, totally unacceptable.

EddiePJ · Feb 7, 2014

Artstu said:
On looks alone the KTM does it for me, although the Cube looks neater just above the motor. I don't like Cannondales myself, and it has the older style motor.

Not what you asked I realise, but that's how I'd choose from those three bikes.

Same as that.

The KTM has cleaner neater lines, almost in the same way that Genesis pedal bikes do.

Kudoscycles · Feb 7, 2014

I think it's got to the point that sensible buyers think of these mileage figures as ridiculous,I think the give away is that phrase 'up to'. What does 'up to'
mean?
It's such a meaningless term,it's like the adverts in the shop window , upto 90 per cent off....when you challenge what items are 90 per cent off,those items were sold on the first day of the sale.
What we need is a defined standard over a controlled route,like the vehicle urban cycle,that would be very revealing!
KudosDave
www.kudoscycles.com

EddiePJ · Feb 7, 2014

I've looked so many different bikes this week, that I'm probably wrong in this, but I'm sure that on the Bosch website, I recall seeing quite detailed duration stats for each mode and various conditions.
Obviously I'm not saying that it should be taken as read, but it was for once a pretty thorough guide.

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