Changes to Regulations - Speed pedelecs / dongles / throttles

Is there a post elsewhere on Pedelecs covering this: proposed changes to e-bike regulations

Also is understood that independent throttles would be outlawed but grandfather rights granted

This seems to state they will be allowed as long as all other EPAC requirements are met ?

Also is understood that independent throttles would be outlawed but grandfather rights granted

 

This seems to state they will be allowed as long as all other EPAC requirements are met ?

Yes exactly that Kirstin.

Yes, this is sensible, it is in essence everything we realistically asked for during consultations:

250 watts.

Permission for independent throttles.

No weight limits that impair trike possibilities.

Power for quad bicycles.

I think we should all contact in support of the proposals. It's as much as we could ever get and leaves us better off than the rest of Europe other than one respect, the 14 years lower age limit, something no other country feels necessary. That's contained in a Road Traffic Act which is not being altered.

Here are the contact details in brief, deadline 8th December 11.45pm:

e-mail:

eapc.consultation@dft.gsi.gov.uk

Postal:

EAPC Consultation

Department for Transport

1/34 Great Minster House

33 Horseferry Road

London

SW1P 4DR

When responding, please state whether you are responding as an individual or representing the views of an organisation. If responding on behalf of a larger organisation, please make it clear who the organisation represents and, where applicable, how the views of members were assembled.

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Edited November 4, 201411 yr by flecc

they'll adopt EN15194 to hamonize with Europe, make it dead easy to register s-pedelecs as L1e as long as they are given EC type approval certificates.

BTW, there is no reason to outlaw the throttle.

Yes, this is sensible, it is in essence everything we realistically asked for during consultations:

 

250 watts.

 

Permission for independent throttles.

 

No weight limits that impair trike possibilities.

 

Power for quad bicycles.

 

I think we should all contact in support of the proposals. It's as much as we could ever get and leaves us better off than the rest of Europe other than one respect, the 14 years lower age limit, something no other country feels necessary. That's contained in a Road Traffic Act which is not being altered.

 

Here are the contact details in brief, deadline 8th December 11.45pm:

 

e-mail:

 

eapc.consultation@dft.gsi.gov.uk

 

Postal:

 

EAPC Consultation

Department for Transport

1/34 Great Minster House

33 Horseferry Road

London

SW1P 4DR

 

When responding, please state whether you are responding as an individual or representing the views of an organisation. If responding on behalf of a larger organisation, please make it clear who the organisation represents and, where applicable, how the views of members were assembled.

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Hi Tony,

I think if a knowledgeable person like your good self were to create a suitably worded draft that members could copy not to say plagiarise, then a lot of people would make a submission in support of the proposals.

Does anyone second this motion?

Hi Tony,

I think if a knowledgeable person like your good self were to create a suitably worded draft that members could copy not to say plagiarise, then a lot of people would make a submission in support of the proposals.

 

Does anyone second this motion?

I know from writing to ministers on other issues in the past that template letters are given less weight and seen as organised lobbying.

Letters and emails written in your own words are much more likely to be considered. Just a few lines in support is all that's needed.

Yes, this is sensible, it is in essence everything we realistically asked for during consultations:

 

250 watts.

 

Permission for independent throttles.

 

No weight limits that impair trike possibilities.

 

Power for quad bicycles.

 

I think we should all contact in support of the proposals.

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I think its good news for all, including the met police - they would certainly appreciate the benefits speed pedelecs offer.

Compliance with The General Product Safety Regulations 2005 should be a must not a might.

As I understand it the EU speed limit is 25kmh, but that manufacturers are allowed a 10% margin, taking max speed to 27.5kmh (17.3mph). Will the proposed UK increase to 15.5mph also accept the 10% margin i wonder? If so why not state it clearly in the regulations?

I think its good news for all, including the met police - they would certainly appreciate the benefits speed pedelecs offer.

 

Compliance with The General Product Safety Regulations 2005 should be a must not a might.

 

As I understand it the EU speed limit is 25kmh, but that manufacturers are allowed a 10% margin, taking max speed to 27.5kmh (17.3mph). Will the proposed UK increase to 15.5mph also accept the 10% margin i wonder? If so why not state it clearly in the regulations?

I would imagine so. I certainly hope so. My bike cuts out at 17.3 mph and so do many other German bikes.

As I understand it the EU speed limit is 25kmh, but that manufacturers are allowed a 10% margin, taking max speed to 27.5kmh (17.3mph). Will the proposed UK increase to 15.5mph also accept the 10% margin i wonder? If so why not state it clearly in the regulations?

At one of the DfT and interested parties meetings, the DfT stated that the usual 10% tolerance for all UK speed limits equally applied to e-bikes.

Clearly from their comment it's standard practice, no doubt recognised by the police and other authorities.

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I know from writing to ministers on other issues in the past that template letters are given less weight and seen as organised lobbying.

 

Letters and emails written in your own words are much more likely to be considered. Just a few lines in support is all that's needed.

Hi John,

I take your point entirely.

My thinking was that a suitable draft would encourage more people to make a submission and of course the individual would edit and modify so that they did not all look the same.

All well and good and welcome that the throttle is staying but I wonder if the trade has done any research into how many more bikes they could sell if the speed limit was raised to 20mph in line with the USA and have any of them lobbied for it?

I would like to have seen a statement on S class bikes and a clarification on how they could become Road Legal.

When you say like in the USA, did you mean

New York City has repeatedly drawn media attention for its enforcement of a ban on electric bicycles in certain neighborhoods,[92] with fines of up to $3,000.[93]

Or How about Montana, 30 miles an hour, but no crank drives.

The device must be equipped with a power drive system that functions directly or automatically only and does not require clutching or shifting by the operator after the drive system is engaged.

Then there's

District of Columbia

Electric-assist and other "motorized bicycles"[64] must be registered and inspected, and must have insurance. The vehicle may not exceed 35 miles per hour. The driver must be licensed and at be least 18 years old.

no person shall operate a motorized bicycle on any sidewalk or any off-street bikepath or bicycle route within the District.

So, if cars are prohibited in a particular place, motor-assisted bikes are also prohibited

US federal law is one thing but each state has its own laws.

Pick the state you like the best and move there (only joking)

Edited November 5, 201411 yr by Gringo

they'll adopt EN15194 to hamonize with Europe, make it dead easy to register s-pedelecs as L1e as long as they are given EC type approval certificates.

Could be a hollow victory though, since we don't know conditions they'd set for such things as insurance etc., the setting of conditions being a matter for each country. With the DfT strongly opposed to more speed or power, the possibility of them requiring such things as CBT and motorcycle approved helmets could kill any practicality.

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I looked up insurance and registration for L1e e-mopeds the other day when posting earlier about the folding e-moped. Apparently, they can register it for you, £70 including number plate, so road ready. I assume their bike has EC type approval as L1e.

Zippe mention £170 per annum for fully comp.

http://www.zippe.co.uk/

 

I think its good news for all, including the met police - they would certainly appreciate the benefits speed pedelecs offer.

from REGULATION (EU) No 168/2013 it appears the police will be exempt from the new regulations and can use whatever vehicles they like:

Article 2

Scope

2. This Regulation does not apply to the following vehicles:

(e)vehicles designed and constructed for use by the armed services, civil defence, fire services, forces responsible for maintaining public order and emergency medical services;

copy of REGULATION (EU) No 168/2013 available from the resources tab at the top of this page

Edited November 5, 201411 yr by shemozzle999

proposed changes to e-bike regulations

Suprisingly this all sounds remarkably sensible.....

I looked up insurance and registration for L1e e-mopeds the other day when posting earlier about the folding e-moped. Apparently, they can register it for you, £70 including number plate.../

Trex, VOSA and DVLA are quite clear that there is no requirement to display a numberplate on speed pedelecs in the UK.

I was looking into e-mopeds. This one folds, has 48V 28AH silicon gel battery, weighs 45kgs, top speed about 35mph, charges up in 2 hours, has 2-speed automatic gearbox, hydraulic brakes, can climb stairs (no need to wait for the lift!) and costs about $1,000 FOB with an EC type approval certificate issued in Malta.

is this the shape of the future?

then there may be opportunities for someone to bring in high speed electric motocycles, not pedelecs. capable of 50mph+.

like this cheap one:

http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/1930730888/2014_EEC_New_Hot_Electric_Motorcycle_for.jpg

Edited November 5, 201411 yr by trex

I was looking into e-mopeds. This one folds, has 48V 28AH silicon gel battery, weighs 45kgs, top speed about 35mph, charges up in 2 hours, has 2-speed automatic gearbox, can climb stairs (no need to wait for the lift!), hydraulic brakes and costs about $1,000 FOB with an EC type approval certificate issued in Malta.

is this the shape of the future?

Might be worth a try Trex, but key document is a real Certificate of Conformity signed by the CEO of the manufacturer - as far as I know all legit speed pedelecs are shipped with one - you cant register the thing without this.

James

You keep going on about CoCs, no number plate & how easy it is to register an s-pedelec however when Electrfying Cycles challenged you, you went quiet.

Additionally KudosDave & the mighty flecc disagree with you.

Why not restore your credibility by providing the answers on this thread.

@ James: I am interested in trying one but not buying one. I remember KD was looking into e-mopeds a few months back and I posted the above in the thread about whether dongles make your bike illegal. I did not take long to find out that e-mopeds sell fairly well in Malta.

With deregulation, if bikes with L1e type approval can be easily registered (I can't see why not, it's easily done in Malta) then e-mopeds may appeal to some.

Edited November 5, 201411 yr by trex