Eco Friendly Bonuses

Branwen

Pedelecer
Oct 2, 2007
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Who thinks the payments to users that scrap a 10 year old car and replace it with an eco friendlier one should also be given to those that go for a bike, electric or otherwise. Part of the money goes for scrapping the old, part for buying new eco friendly car. Maybe we should start a petition on the write to Downing Street website.
 

Branwen

Pedelecer
Oct 2, 2007
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turns out if you are disabled, and electric trike can be VAT free but not an electric bike... system seems illogical
 

Mussels

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jun 17, 2008
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Crowborough
There's nothing eco friendly about scrapping a perfectly good car for no good reason, no matter how green the replacement appears.
The deal is a 2 grand discount from the book price with no other deals, in these times you could probably get a bigger discount without that poor excuse to keep car manufacturers happy.
 

Barnowl

Esteemed Pedelecer
Sep 18, 2008
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I'll have a 10 year old Smart car next year. I can't see any value in the new scheme. Either to me or the environment. Neither can anyone else, I've spoken to (who owns an old banger). I'm with Killjoy - I paid far too much tax on my electric bike.
 

flecc

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Oct 25, 2006
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I agree that there's nothing eco friendly about the current scheme which is solely designed to help motor manufacturers get through their current difficulties.

Deals at least as good are obtainable without using the scheme anyway.
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rog_london

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Jan 3, 2009
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VAT is already removed from bikes along with income tax and NI, but why did they make it reliant on your employer doing some work? :mad:
I think it's because in their wisdom they decided that any bike so favoured would have to be used as work transport.

I seem to remember there is a requirement for at least 50% work-related use, i.e. commuting, though how they police that isn't specified. I suppose you could take advantage of the scheme and still drive to and from work every day - no doubt some do - though perhaps, looking charitably upon it, the decision is likely to be based on the weather and other practical considerations on the day.

Buying a bike for pleasure and exercise doesn't count, of course. If you get supplied with any kind of powered company vehicle (unless it's kept at your workplace and any travel to and from home is excluded) you cannot qualify. Similarly, if you work from home, or are self employed, you'd almost certainly be excluded.

Rog.
 

the_killjoy

Esteemed Pedelecer
May 26, 2008
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I was meaning removing VAT as a general measure rather than as part of a Ride-to-Work scheme.
 

rog_london

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Jan 3, 2009
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Harrow, Middlesex
I was meaning removing VAT as a general measure rather than as part of a Ride-to-Work scheme.
That would be FAR too sensible. If they did that and cycling became even more popular, they would then be under pressure to spend more on the infrastructure, whereas it looks like they're really spending less. Also cyclists don't contribute much to the coffers of the Exchequer as so far the Government haven't figured out how to tax human-powered mileage in the same way that they tax all other vehicles.

Rog.
 

Straylight

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jan 31, 2009
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If they wanted to be truly altruistic or, dare I say it, socialist, then they would entitle everyone over say 60 to a massive discount on an e-bike/pedelec. Where I live, in deepest greenest Suffolk, there are many of the older generation who appear to rely on their Powabykes etc. to maintain their independence, as it's not unusual to be at least 3 miles from the nearest shop.

Such a scheme would also have the benefit of increasing the general fitness level amongst the increasingly aged population, hence easing the preasure on the NHS by some degree, win-win as I see it. Considering the billions spent on the failing financial system, I reckon the cost would be less than a drop in the ocean, more like a molecule.
 

Patrick

Esteemed Pedelecer
Feb 9, 2009
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VAT is already removed from bikes along with income tax and NI, but why did they make it reliant on your employer doing some work? :mad:
The VAT is still payable if you work for a charity (like I do).

When you look at the details the Cycle to Work "Scheme" is largely a piece of marketing with the Department for Transport saying "did you know that you can provide your emplyees with company bikes to get them to work".

Department for Transport - Cycle to Work Scheme implementation guidance

The DoT haven't actually set up any sort of scheme themselves, they've just clarified the rules so that employers, bike sellers and third parties (such as CycleScheme) can set up their own schemes (and then the DoT can take the credit :rolleyes:).

Patrick
 

the_killjoy

Esteemed Pedelecer
May 26, 2008
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Does everyones here remarkably high degree of cynicsm to government action just reflect the age and experience of the forum members.:rolleyes:
 

flecc

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Oct 25, 2006
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A small point, VAT can't be removed from a product on general sale once it's applied, EC rules, it can only be reduced to a minimum of 5%. That's why we pay 5% on our electricity bills, a former government's desire to remove it frustrated by that rule.
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flecc

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Oct 25, 2006
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So why is it called the "Zero VAT Eligibility declaration by a disabled person" form?

http://www.mailordercycles.co.uk/disabled-zero-vat-declaration.pdf
This is the relevant passage from the document Patrick linked to:

it is worth noting one aspect of this agreement: no Member State can, under any circumstances, introduce a new zero rate, though there is limited provision for those countries whose standard rate was below 13% at 1 January 1991 to charge a rate below 5% on certain supplies.

That limited provision does not apply to the UK.
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