Is it really a case of 'you get what you pay for' ?

Oiseaux

Pedelecer
Jan 19, 2011
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La roche Posay, Vienne, France
Hello, I am trying to reach a decision about what e bike to go for and I am torn between a Kalkhoff and the CityLight Mk 11. They look to be the style which I need but the Kalkhoff is twice the price. There doesn't seem to be any reviews for the City Light on this forum so I wondered if anyone has any feedback. Quality of build is important for me so logic says go for the Kalkhoff but £849 is not to be ignored. Any advice would be really appreciated.

Oiseaux
 

flecc

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Oct 25, 2006
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The fundamental difference in their systems is that the Kalkhoff drives through the gears so can be more suitable if the hills to be climbed are very steep.

The hub motor on the Citylight is like having a car stuck in top gear all the time, just relying on whatever brute force it has to climb. On moderate hills though, that's ok and the climbs can be fast.

The Kalkhoff comes from a long established UK supplier giving excellent service, and in addition it's Panasonic motor unit has an enviable reputation for very long term reliability. The German factory build quality is very high as you'd expect. It has a two year warranty which importantly includes the battery, since these are very expensive to replace.

All these are relative unknowns on the Citylight so it's as well it's very much cheaper. The probability is that it will do the job ok, but there are question marks on that unknown battery since lithium batteries can be far from reliable. What warranty does the battery have and will the supplier still be around to honour that if necessary? Will they and this make of e-bike still be around in a couple of years time when you want a new battery that fits? How much is a new battery? Those are the sort of questions to ask.

The answers you get from the supplier and any owner who might already have one should help you decide on the balance of cost against long term assurance.
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NRG

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Oct 6, 2009
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Can 'O' Worms time....

....Only you can decide...it totally depends on what you want and how much you are prepared to pay. Also you are comparing apples to oranges a crank drive vs hub, one is available through a single source in the UK who has a good reputation and provides a comprehensive warranty and back up. The other seems to be an unheard off brand with dubious source (China in all likely hood) and probably poor to none existent backup, possibly. Component quality on one is way higher than the other....so really it only you who can make the decision......me...I'd go for the Kalkhoff or look at alternative hub powered bikes with backup...

Also resale value of one will be much higher than the other, something to concider...
 
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eddieo

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Jul 7, 2008
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with such a big investment really essential to try both the hub motor system and the Panasonic system as well, asl they are so different, but both very good in their own right. Then buy a Wisper :D because they are a great bike with great backup and support + a transferable warranty insuring decent resale value.....
 

10mph

Esteemed Pedelecer
Dec 13, 2010
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England
Oiseaux,

I have had test rides on both the 3E City Light Mk2 and on two Kalkhoff Agattu models. I wanted a stepthru model with rear wheel drive which could achieve 30 to 40 miles. I am prepared to pedal at a gentle 80 watts output for a few hours, and I dont really need to go above about 10mph. It is help with hills, into the wind, and long ride endurance that I need rather than speed.

3E City Light Mk2
It was only a short ride on the City Light with an 8% hill which it surmounted OK with some comfortable pedalling from me. You can see my notes on my test at http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/electric-bicycles/7380-should-i-consider-alterntaives-stepthru-kalkhoff-agattu-raleigh-dover-3.html#post93264
The shop had it on sale for £729 quite a bit cheaper than the list price. But when I went back to look at it again, I found that they had had it in the shop for 6 months since June 2010, and it had been used as a demo model. Although they assured me that it had not been used for extended testing and that battery was as good as new with a full warranty, I was definitely concerned that I would not get the full range of 30 to 40 miles which I require, without purchasing a second battery price £300. The other negative was that I thought the frame at 18 inches was a little small for me (I am 5foot 10 and want to touch the ground with both toes, while on the saddle. I had to raise the seat a bit to get to this position.)

Kalkhoff Agattu
Back in November I had had a very short ride on a older model Aggatu with 7 speeds. Then last Saturday I had a good test on the new, bottom-of-the-range Agattu C3 which comes in at about £1400.It has only 3 gear ratios which I wanted to try out to see if they suited me. My report on this test which focused on hill climbing and also on stability for riding very accurately without wobbles. My report on this ride is here http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/electric-bicycles/7535-hill-test-agattu-c3-2011-model-3-speed.html#post94631. You will see I climbed a 12% average gradient hill nicely with the pedaling only getting very hard at a steeper section at the top of the hill. Unfortunately I dont know how steep this last bit was - probably somewhere in the range 15-20%. The C3 has only 3 gears, but it will be good enough for nearly all the hills I encounter. for only a little extra I can get it with an 18Ah battery rather than the 8Ah and that I believe will give me 30-40 miles range.

Conclusion: I am juggling my budget to convince myself I can afford the Aggatu C3!
 

BLACKPANTHER

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Feb 21, 2010
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Doncaster.
Thanks very much for replies, they are all very helpful, maybe if I just closed my eyes and sent the cheque it wouldn't be so painful !!!!!!
Flip a coin. If, after the 1st flip you find yourself saying "best of three" then you'll know that you wanted the loser of the first flip more!
 

allen-uk

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May 1, 2010
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Oisaeaux: all the above make sense, but come the crunch it's Mercedes vs. Ford. Both will get you there and back, and if you're only doing 50 miles a week, probably doesn't matter which one you go for.

I drive a Nissan (and ride a Wisper 905).


Allen.