Kalkhoff Agattu F Electric Bike

eddieo

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I se that 50 cycles have introduced a new version of the popular Agattu with front hub motor.....

why have they done this? and what are the advantages if any over the normal bike?

I thought there was talk of a throttle recently still does not seem to be one......
 

flecc

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Panasonic have recently taken over Sanyo who have a hub motor which they also currently supply to Giant for the Freedom and Express models for which they probably have to continue production for contractual reasons.

Given that, it makes sense to capitalise on that production facility by expanding it's market, which it looks like they've done with motor revisions for their purpose, utilising their excellent pedelec control system. That means manufacturers like Kalkhoff can offer a choice of hub motor or drive through chain systems on the same quality bike, the best of both worlds suiting many more customers. As I've often stressed, the Panasonic system doesn't suit everyone, and neither do hub motors.

The advantage of the hub motor in not too hilly areas is simplicity, the ability to have the rider and motor transmission separate, meaning speed can be restricted to legal limits without interfering with the cyclists needs, and avoidance of the motor drive suffering slightly from hub gear inefficiency.

The primary advantage of the drive through gear system is the ability to climb anything, suiting those in very hilly areas or those of limited cycling ability.

The Sanyo hub motor has a long history and is very reliable, and with Panasonic's revisions it should be good for those it suits. It also has a good detachable cable housing so wheel removal isn't a problem.

The "walk alongside" throttle is an option which only operates up to 4 mph/6 kph for when a hill cannot be ridden. I think it can only be fitted on the drive through the chain models.
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eddieo

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Thanks Tony!
 

flecc

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Oh well, we'll have to wait for reviews then to find out more about it, since we have no data on peak power, torque etc. We'll need to know more about the power delivery and whether it's going to have the same phase down as the drive through gears unit.

My remarks on hub versus drive through the gears for different areas remain though, no legal hub motor can match the drive through the gears system for steep hill climbing for fairly obvious reasons.

The coaster brake fitted as standard doesn't sound good for the UK, most here seem to hate the things and the way they affect back pedalling and it could affect sales.
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flecc

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Thanks for the information Scott. I suppose you may not bother with an A to B review as the supply will be limited in that way?

What you've said about Derby being the only users of the system initially makes sense of why the cable connector arrangement looks like the Sanyo one. With production limited, Panasonic may be buying in from the same connector manufacturer that Sanyo use rather than making a special. That, and the fact that the motor size and voltage supply is the same had me fooled!
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